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11-03-2014, 04:04 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:04 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:03 AM)donotwant Wrote:  So you have no idea what it is. It might be a mindless force?
Because by created people usually imply a creator. A thinking agent.

Perhaps.

Could it be a mindless force? Yes or No.
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11-03-2014, 04:07 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:01 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:55 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  A line of inquiry based on a flawed assumption will make the conclusions of that inquiry meaningless.

Why do you believe that something created the universe?

I assume causation.

Any particular reason behind the assumption?

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11-03-2014, 04:07 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:04 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:04 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Perhaps.

Could it be a mindless force? Yes or No.

Maybe. But I wouldn't think so.
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11-03-2014, 04:08 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:07 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:04 AM)donotwant Wrote:  Could it be a mindless force? Yes or No.

Maybe. But I wouldn't think so.

So you assume it's a thinking agent.
Why?
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11-03-2014, 04:08 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:07 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:01 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  I assume causation.

Any particular reason behind the assumption?

Consistency.
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11-03-2014, 04:10 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:01 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:55 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  A line of inquiry based on a flawed assumption will make the conclusions of that inquiry meaningless.

Why do you believe that something created the universe?

I assume causation.

Do you assume causation for the existence of whatever created the universe?
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11-03-2014, 04:10 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:10 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:01 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  I assume causation.

Do you assume causation for the existence of whatever created the universe?

Yes.
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11-03-2014, 04:16 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:08 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:07 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Maybe. But I wouldn't think so.

So you assume it's a thinking agent.
Why?

To have created the universe in all its detail, I imagine a thinking agent would be involved in some way.
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11-03-2014, 04:26 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:16 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:08 AM)donotwant Wrote:  So you assume it's a thinking agent.
Why?

To have created the universe in all its detail, I imagine a thinking agent would be involved in some way.

Since the start of big bang everything that arise, arise naturally by natural forces acting on inanimate objects. Where do you see a need for a thinking agent?
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11-03-2014, 04:32 AM
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(11-03-2014 04:26 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:16 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  To have created the universe in all its detail, I imagine a thinking agent would be involved in some way.

Since the start of big bang everything that arise, arise naturally by natural forces acting on inanimate objects. Where do you see a need for a thinking agent?

Causation. Something must have caused the 'big bang' and thus causes those forces, supposedly with information in which to do so.
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