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28-11-2013, 12:06 PM
sociology worldview wars
Christianity is the religion of pity but nowadays the idea of pity and goodness and holyness and self-righteousness as well have been subsumed by secular institutions. It doesn't matter what the ideal is or the ideology- they all divorce us equally from the real world, from our biology.

Pity makes a strong man lay down his arms.

I am very interested in the history of ideas, and the way ideas become internalized and the way ideas shape behavior and contribute to culture, and the future. I am interested in particular how Darwinism was surgically removed from the fields of sociology and anthropology. It seems like it would be a good fit. Dawkins managed to bring him back in a sly way- with the idea of memes, but even that's not what I'm referring to, although that's a very good useful insight. Sociology had another direction going- another worldview, at the dawn of the century, which was in contrast to the idealistic one we have now- of sameness, egalitarianism, and social constructionism. Ironically they are right about the power of social constructionism. They should know- they are the ones doing the constructing. In fact we are all products of nature and nurture, but nature has been to a great extent removed from the sociological equation. At the turn of the century there were other sociologists and thinkers and ideas, such as that of eugenics and racialist theories. They make sense in theory, even if their application can contradict the values a given person or society professes and holds dear- and therein lies their outright rejection, the denial of them as Peter denied Jesus, their rationalization. In fact they are said to have been scientifically discredited and that's why they are no longer included in curricula and discourse. Maybe they were discredited but by whom? It's amazing how the worldview shifted in early 20th century American University life. I mean I suppose we are all darwinists here. Values and morality aside, are we not darwinists? Why are people- atheists even, so uncomfortable with these ideas? We do not live in the Soviet Union after all. And moreover, you can't discredit eugenics, even if you can discredit racial theories- because eugenics is an intention, a purpose, a desire- very Nietzschian. Now, one can agree or disagree about the methods. We can be for abortion- I am- without necessarily being for partial birth abortion. We can be for socialism without necessarily being for communism. I disagree with forced sterilization in virtually all cases, because that's a man's manhood, but eugenics is at it's core Darwinian- that is natural AND sexual selection IS eugenics. Man or womankind applying it consciously is the only difference- they becoming artists and creators, conscious willers. This is Nietzschian.

How and why these two things were discredited I don't understand. I guess it has to do with a lot of ad hominems (against the man) and associations with Nation Socialist regime in Germany and them having lost the war. They lost the war, they lost the worldview. Also I saw on a website- and I agree with the statement- that Americans are the least likely to respond or think or act according to racial lines or preferences. Despite how much we say there is racism in America and so on- this is just due to our metrics or our exaggerations and puffery. In fact, most countries today and virtually all countries in history- Roman Empire to a great extent excluded- and commercial empires, and where business is involved- acted and thought along racial lines.

But I am interested in Darwinian sociology and I am interested in dialectics also anyway. It simply gets boring living in a one-party state or one party department, one party subject.
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28-11-2013, 12:27 PM
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(28-11-2013 12:06 PM)viking Wrote:  Christianity is the religion of pity but nowadays the idea of pity and goodness and holyness and self-righteousness as well have been subsumed by secular institutions. It doesn't matter what the ideal is or the ideology- they all divorce us equally from the real world, from our biology.
Pity makes a strong man lay down his arms.

Laughat I read this much,

Said before VK make your post shorter, create some sort of debate, most of you posts are Journal entries meaningful to you alone.
You alienate people with the preaching.
start a Q an A thread, (but FFS don't reply with 1000 word essays. )

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28-11-2013, 12:31 PM
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I find this kind of threads very unappealing.

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28-11-2013, 12:38 PM
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(28-11-2013 12:31 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  I find this kind of threads very unappealing.

Yep its either academically way over my head or madman ramblings.
with my intellect I can't tell either way . Consider

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28-11-2013, 01:39 PM
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(28-11-2013 12:38 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(28-11-2013 12:31 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  I find this kind of threads very unappealing.

Yep its either academically way over my head or madman ramblings.
with my intellect I can't tell either way . Consider

Remember the movie se7en? These posts remind me of what might have been found in Kevin Spacey's character's journals.

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05-12-2013, 10:56 AM
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I agree, Viking, that eugenics and such have not been scientifically discredited.

Thing is, science is not the only source of policy and opinion, even secularly speaking. People still live by philosophies and secular faith, whether without or without religion, btw.
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