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18-04-2013, 08:54 PM
spiritual experience for atheists or agnostics?
I have a luxury problem, I have spiritual needs. Experiencing interesting states of mind.

What kinds of interesting spiritual experiences, states of mind can atheists or agnostics have?

So far I have tried THC, alcohol, meditation and self-hypnosis. My THC experiments ended years ago. It was a very good experience being high. I decided not to take it again because it I become demotivated the followings days. That can't be good in long run. Being drunk feel pretty lame, not interesting. Mediation is ok, nice, doesn't knock my socks off. Self-hypnosis is nice and useful as well, doesn't knock my socks off either. Learning actually is satisfying, so I learn more about science and transcendent topics.

I can't believe religions stuff, couldn't listen to their dogma, means, I couldn't attend their rituals. And this "clear" thing by Scientology is unproven as well, a joke, no one could ever demonstrate superior intellectual skills. Don't worry, I will learn everything about it for days before trying, stay skeptical... Just looking for pointers...

Can you recommend spiritual which is interesting and doesn't ruin my health or life?
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18-04-2013, 08:57 PM
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(18-04-2013 08:54 PM)hestarq Wrote:  I have a luxury problem, I have spiritual needs. Experiencing interesting states of mind.

What kinds of interesting spiritual experiences, states of mind can atheists or agnostics have?

So far I have tried THC, alcohol, meditation and self-hypnosis. My THC experiments ended years ago. It was a very good experience being high. I decided not to take it again because it I become demotivated the followings days. That can't be good in long run. Being drunk feel pretty lame, not interesting. Mediation is ok, nice, doesn't knock my socks off. Self-hypnosis is nice and useful as well, doesn't knock my socks off either. Learning actually is satisfying, so I learn more about science and transcendent topics.

I can't believe religions stuff, couldn't listen to their dogma, means, I couldn't attend their rituals. And this "clear" thing by Scientology is unproven as well, a joke, no one could ever demonstrate superior intellectual skills. Don't worry, I will learn everything about it for days before trying, stay skeptical... Just looking for pointers...

Can you recommend spiritual which is interesting and doesn't ruin my health or life?

Music is always a good place to start when looking for transcendent feeling. I recommend Dark side of the Moon by Pink Floyd

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19-04-2013, 12:16 AM
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I don't have a spiritual side. And I'm glad about that fact. I attain great happiness from many things, but if you must have some sort of spiritual experience, music is the best route.
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19-04-2013, 12:58 AM
spiritual experience for atheists or agnostics?
Religion/superstition and spirituality are often confused but the first one negates the second one.

Same as in knowledge vs wisdom or sex vs love.

They can be together but ultimately they will become in conflict.

The definition of "spiritual" is very important. For example, I search for ways to exist in harmony with everything and to continuously improve my perception and my existence... I call this spirituality. May be different for others.
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19-04-2013, 01:02 AM
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Porn is often helpful.

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19-04-2013, 01:21 AM
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(19-04-2013 01:02 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Porn is often helpful.

What about real orgies? It's nice to have people on their knees, makes me feel like the man with the glowing head.

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19-04-2013, 04:46 AM
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(18-04-2013 08:54 PM)hestarq Wrote:  I have a luxury problem, I have spiritual needs. Experiencing interesting states of mind.

What kinds of interesting spiritual experiences, states of mind can atheists or agnostics have?

Can someone please give me a clear definition of "spiritual experience?" What is a "spiritual need?" Because otherwise, I'm just gonna post the following again:

" I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me."
-Hunter S Thompson

If you need ritual, drama and the trappings of woo-woo, there is always atheistic/LaVeyan satanism. Get your friends together and have a black mass or something.

Not being religious doesn't mean there is no fantasy or wonder in your life.

Other than that, I've always enjoyed cocaine and LSD.
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19-04-2013, 05:16 AM
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(18-04-2013 08:54 PM)hestarq Wrote:  I have a luxury problem, I have spiritual needs. Experiencing interesting states of mind.

What kinds of interesting spiritual experiences, states of mind can atheists or agnostics have?

So far I have tried THC, alcohol, meditation and self-hypnosis. My THC experiments ended years ago. It was a very good experience being high. I decided not to take it again because it I become demotivated the followings days. That can't be good in long run. Being drunk feel pretty lame, not interesting. Mediation is ok, nice, doesn't knock my socks off. Self-hypnosis is nice and useful as well, doesn't knock my socks off either. Learning actually is satisfying, so I learn more about science and transcendent topics.

I can't believe religions stuff, couldn't listen to their dogma, means, I couldn't attend their rituals. And this "clear" thing by Scientology is unproven as well, a joke, no one could ever demonstrate superior intellectual skills. Don't worry, I will learn everything about it for days before trying, stay skeptical... Just looking for pointers...

Can you recommend spiritual which is interesting and doesn't ruin my health or life?
I am an agnostic (well, agnostic pantheist) and I have just the thing for you. I managed to get myself into such a state that I frequently experience mystical ecstasy that is either connected with emotional high, or is completely without emotion, without thought, but with almost (non)"sexually" intense pleasure in head and spine and so on. Other times I sense an insight into great workings of the world and I feel like a little spider spining my part on the great web of wisdom. I can of course type on the forum and people seem to appreciate my posts. It is a great inspiration that demands expression.

And yes, as Weeeeee_Zard says, I do too feel like a man with glowing head, literally I can feel the radiance coming from my pineal and pituitary gland, giving a "burning" feeling...

None of this requires to believe any religious or woo doctrines, but I have found the occult sources immensely useful in actually describing what is going on. They're a manual that you can understand as you undergo the experiences. You can unfold it as a checklist. And it helps to understand the dangers.

Is it dangerous? Yes, anything that does something is dangerous. Only non-effective things like homeopathy are not dangerous. If you want a spiritual experience, you want to do something with your nerve and endocrine system and doing something is always a risk. If you do it wrong or too much, you can get headaches at best, you can faint, or if you're exceptionally skilled, you can wake up the Kundalini energy prematurely (that is, not spontaneously) and completely wreck your nerve system, condemning you to a lifetime of insanity.

However, this is not an entertainment, it's a way of living. It's the Path that involves meditation (I doubt you've been doing the meditation right) and "service" which is best described as a "self-expressive contribution" or doing charity, whichever comes easier to you.
It basically does not matter how do you meditate and contribute. Sitting and doing nothing is not the only kind of meditation. Contemplating ideas to write on the forum is contemplation, a kind of meditation. Thinking about business possibilities for your company is meditation as well. Thus there are many advanced people who have great contemplative capacities and great contribution to humanity, without being interested in spiritual things at all. Not all of them are even nice and good people, unfortunately.
My style is to understand the technicalities and go on the Path consciously and purposefully, up to the awareness of the inner, physiologic and psychologic processes that it brings. For you it means to take up a hobby to pursue for years at least.
Nobody can guarantee you anything. Results are dependent on many factors, most of which are your business. You are responsible for obtaining your results, like when you begin at sports. This historical time presents however a unique opportunity to accelerate your progress. There is a kind of meditation that is extremely useful for what you need. However it is a group meditation and not everyone has a group. Without it I don't know if I could achieve what I am now.
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19-04-2013, 05:24 AM
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(19-04-2013 04:46 AM)amyb Wrote:  Can someone please give me a clear definition of "spiritual experience?" What is a "spiritual need?"
What about expanded consciousness (awareness) or the need for expanded consciousness? What about this plus the experience of highest, clearest and most sublime emotions, coming from no noticeable source? What about flashes of progressive, visionary insight into the problems of existence? All of this combined... Is that good enough for you?

Yes, music and art is greatly helpful, it is often the first way anyone gets a spiritual experience. Good art is supposed to do that. As for music, I recommend the album Blue Moon Station by Solar Fields or Spontaneous Illumination by Entheogenic. There is a great psychedelic music market.
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19-04-2013, 06:13 AM
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Fasting for forty days in the desert should do the trick.
Another good method is climbing a mountain and then hyperventilating.

If you live you'll be a spiritual as all get out.

Nonsense is nonsense, but the history of nonsense is a very important science.
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