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02-06-2014, 06:29 PM
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(01-06-2014 04:44 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 07:25 PM)CindysRain Wrote:  I am enjoying this very much.

I wanted to add my pitiful 2 cents regarding the awful story of the flood.

Then the Lord decides that all humanity is corrupt and needs to be massacred via flood.

Genesis 8:21
And the Lord smelled a sweet savor; and the Lord said in His heart, “I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake, for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

**Obviously, there are a million things wrong with this verse, but here is one of the many contradictions, that set me on the path to atheism...

Because god already knows the future, hence Revelations, this means that he knew before he caused the flood, that he would decide afterwards, man was just plain evil, and he wouldn't smite (a pathetically kind word for genocide), every living thing again.

He went ahead and did it anyway?? Then said "oops, my bad" here's a rainbow to make up for it?! Shocking

How the hell did I ever believe this shit? Huh

You think it strange that God would create a world that He knew beforehand would become corrupt.

God can do that. He is God you know.

My favorite part about this stupid is that he fails to express any comprehension of the differences between "would do" and "can do". If he was not clearly a troll it would be really sad and pathetic, instead of just the regular sad and pathetic it is.
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02-06-2014, 06:30 PM
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(02-06-2014 06:12 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 06:08 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  An omniscient omnibenevolent creator would not have been able to make mistakes such as the one wiped out by the flood, nor would he be able to cause nor stand idly by the suffering leading up to the flood myth, then commit genocide.

Omniscient + Omnibenevolent mutually exclude it.

nothing you said addresses the post you quoted from me. I asked in the post you quoted: why is God immoral and what is immoral anyway?

Disingenuous. You don't want to argue about scripture, you want to argue about semantics.

As for immoral acts. See basically any chapter in judges.

And this
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of...ing_people
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02-06-2014, 06:39 PM
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(02-06-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 04:45 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  It's astonishingly sad that you don't see how horrific a god such as this is. Middle of the road Christians sort of own up to it, but not you. It demonstrates one thing. That you are so deluded and brainwashed into accepting the fire and brimstone stories as true that you and your pathetic church justify them in every way you can. You are so convinced this stuff is real that you can't distinguish right from wrong anymore much less what is reality. You and other religious people have invented a "truth" that you all proclaim to be god but find the only way to keep it going is to make excuses and pile on more dogma to make it fit some sort of twisted morality.

No. Your god story is immoral. His is a bully. He is vengeful. He is a tyrant. He is petulant. He pouts and destroys at will. The story of your god is one that kills over two million people in the bible and you find morality in this demented tale.

I have no desire to debate this with you. I just feel terribly sad that you are so blind you can't see past the ink in the bible. So I'll make this comment and leave this thread to others. I've wasted enough of my time looking at your drivel and have other things to do.

Why is God immoral?

What do you mean by immoral anyway?

Your God is a asshole.
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02-06-2014, 07:03 PM
[split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(02-06-2014 06:12 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 06:08 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  An omniscient omnibenevolent creator would not have been able to make mistakes such as the one wiped out by the flood, nor would he be able to cause nor stand idly by the suffering leading up to the flood myth, then commit genocide.

Omniscient + Omnibenevolent mutually exclude it.

nothing you said addresses the post you quoted from me. I asked in the post you quoted: why is God immoral and what is immoral anyway?

Morality is an expanded set of principles expounding on the innate grasp of moral behavior we are born with as a evolved tribal organism.

Imagine you got married, and had a beautiful baby girl. On her 5th birthday you get into a machine that allows you to see, with absolute certainty, every possible path of her life. It lets you see her children, and their children, and 1,000s of generations beyond.

In every timeline, on her 16th birthday, you see her get into a blue Honda Civic, learn the driver will later collide with a schoolbus next to a high explosive factory. 30,000 people will die.

It's her 16th birthday. A blue Honda civic just pulled up outside. Do you walk her out and help her in, buckle her seatbelt and waive bye-bye?

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02-06-2014, 07:09 PM (This post was last modified: 02-06-2014 07:32 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(02-06-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 04:45 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  It's astonishingly sad that you don't see how horrific a god such as this is. Middle of the road Christians sort of own up to it, but not you. It demonstrates one thing. That you are so deluded and brainwashed into accepting the fire and brimstone stories as true that you and your pathetic church justify them in every way you can. You are so convinced this stuff is real that you can't distinguish right from wrong anymore much less what is reality. You and other religious people have invented a "truth" that you all proclaim to be god but find the only way to keep it going is to make excuses and pile on more dogma to make it fit some sort of twisted morality.

No. Your god story is immoral. His is a bully. He is vengeful. He is a tyrant. He is petulant. He pouts and destroys at will. The story of your god is one that kills over two million people in the bible and you find morality in this demented tale.

I have no desire to debate this with you. I just feel terribly sad that you are so blind you can't see past the ink in the bible. So I'll make this comment and leave this thread to others. I've wasted enough of my time looking at your drivel and have other things to do.

Why is God immoral?

What do you mean by immoral anyway?

Now there's a first. Germey asking for a definition.
There ain't no gods.
"Corruption" was a way ignorant people described what they observed and encountered before modern science was able to explain what we see.
If you need to live in the Iron Age, be my guest. If you NEED to think of the world in simplistic childish term, it's your problem, not anyone elses.
Go away, Jebus-troll.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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02-06-2014, 08:35 PM
[split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
God couldn't even make his own woman to bare his child, he banged someone else's.
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02-06-2014, 08:37 PM (This post was last modified: 02-06-2014 09:05 PM by Aseptic Skeptic.)
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
Why are we still playing games with Jeremy?

We all know he's a troll. Whether he's a theist or not, either way, he's trolling this forum. He doesn't debate, he doesn't engage, he just starts threads with some theistic pronouncement then when people ask him questions, he just rapid fires questions back at everyone. No answers, no discourse, no engagement - just restating everybody else's posts as questions back to them. If the thread slows down, he throws some other random pronouncements into it to spark it back to life, all the while without meaningfully responding to any existing posts.

What's the point?

Are we all so bored that we can find nothing better to do than ping Jeremy with questions he won't answer and/or hurl invective at him?

Can we not find better things to discuss with more responsive people while just ignoring Jeremy altogether?

Just sayin'...

(or askin')

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02-06-2014, 08:48 PM
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
The JEW is a troll

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02-06-2014, 09:13 PM
[split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
(02-06-2014 08:37 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Why are we still playing games with Jeremy?

We all know he's a troll. Whether he's a theist or not, either way, he's trolling this forum. He doesn't debate, he doesn't engage, he just starts threads with some theistic pronouncement then when people ask him questions, he just rapid fires questions back at everyone. No answers, no discourse, no engagement - just restating everybody else's posts as questions back to them. If the thread slows down, he throws some other random pronouncements into it to spark it back to life, all the while without meaningfully responding to any existing posts.

What's the point?

Are we all so bored that we can find nothing better to do than ping Jeremy with questions he won't answer and/or hurl invective at him?

Can we not find better things to discuss with more responsive people while just ignoring Jeremy altogether?

Just sayin'...

(or askin')

The top thread over on AF right now is a running discussion on whether or not being a porn star is considered a profession.

Just to put it in perspective.

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― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
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02-06-2014, 09:30 PM
RE: [split] An atheist's critique of the Bible (Book and eBook now available)
I feel this sums up both my opinion of ol' Jerry and what the community should do with him rather well.
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