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04-05-2013, 12:14 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
Ah right. You're gonna go to heaven. Happy Days.

And you're sure of this because... ? Oh yes, you had this personal experience of God... And he told you which bits of the Bible were good, and that homosexuality is wrong, and that Moses was a no good asshole who somehow managed to write half of the holy book...

I think I prefer my version Dodgy

Is it too much to ask that someone with half a braincell answer these questions ? Jesus Christ, can't you send a better messenger ? Hellooooooooooo ? Jesus ?
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04-05-2013, 12:30 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013 12:34 PM by Jzyehoshua.)
RE: Ask a Theist!
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  
Quote:I say it's wrong because it is, that doesn't mean I hate them or think myself superior, just that it's wrong and something we should avoid.
Homosexuality is wrong because it's wrong... And I further suppose that since all you will offer is this vague crap that your opinion of homosexuality is indeed nauseating. Odd, since you reject much of the old testament as being Moses's forged bullshit, that you take the most vitriolic and crappy bits as good stuff from the mouth of God.

Logically for there to be a moral law (i.e. right and wrong, good and evil) then it had to have been instituted by a moral creator, as it can't exist by chance, as pointed out by Ravi Zecharias. In other words, the determiner of right and wrong is God, not man.

As for homosexuality, it was considered a psychological disorder by the American Psychological Association until the 1970s and there's no reason to think it genetic but rather circumstantial. New research shows it's caused in animals through estrogen-imitating chemicals, meaning the increase in homosexuality is likely due in part to our use of unnatural chemicals and pesticides altering human tendency.

http://www.livescience.com/18418-male-sn...l-sex.html

Furthermore, Biblically effeminacy is caused by soft living so it may be also the result of our pampered society. (Luke 7:25) It appears in some cases similar to an inferiority complex given how studies repeatedly show those sexually abused, particularly as children, are much more likely to be homosexual, as are those with older siblings.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/45962.php
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&...4&as_sdtp=

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04-05-2013, 12:43 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(04-05-2013 12:30 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  Homosexuality is wrong because it's wrong... And I further suppose that since all you will offer is this vague crap that your opinion of homosexuality is indeed nauseating. Odd, since you reject much of the old testament as being Moses's forged bullshit, that you take the most vitriolic and crappy bits as good stuff from the mouth of God.

Logically for there to be a moral law (i.e. right and wrong, good and evil) then it had to have been instituted by a moral creator, as it can't exist by chance, as pointed out by Ravi Zecharias. In other words, the determiner of right and wrong is God, not man.

As for homosexuality, it was considered a psychological disorder by the American Psychological Association until the 1970s and there's no reason to think it genetic but rather circumstantial. New research shows it's caused in animals through estrogen-imitating chemicals, meaning the increase in homosexuality is likely due in part to our use of unnatural chemicals and pesticides altering human tendency.

http://www.livescience.com/18418-male-sn...l-sex.html

Furthermore, Biblically effeminacy is caused by soft living so it may be also the result of our pampered society. (Luke 7:25) It appears in some cases similar to an inferiority complex given how studies repeatedly show those sexually abused, particularly as children, are much more likely to be homosexual, as are those with older siblings.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/45962.php
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&...4&as_sdtp=

Oh, so besides dumb, you're also a bigot and a homophobe. Enchanté, I'm sure. Inferiority complex, indeed... The stupid just burns in this one.

Jesus, why have we been attracting such a crappy bunch lately...

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04-05-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(04-05-2013 12:30 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  Homosexuality is wrong because it's wrong... And I further suppose that since all you will offer is this vague crap that your opinion of homosexuality is indeed nauseating. Odd, since you reject much of the old testament as being Moses's forged bullshit, that you take the most vitriolic and crappy bits as good stuff from the mouth of God.

Logically for there to be a moral law (i.e. right and wrong, good and evil) then it had to have been instituted by a moral creator, as it can't exist by chance, as pointed out by Ravi Zecharias. In other words, the determiner of right and wrong is God, not man.

As for homosexuality, it was considered a psychological disorder by the American Psychological Association until the 1970s and there's no reason to think it genetic but rather circumstantial. New research shows it's caused in animals through estrogen-imitating chemicals, meaning the increase in homosexuality is likely due in part to our use of unnatural chemicals and pesticides altering human tendency.

http://www.livescience.com/18418-male-sn...l-sex.html

Furthermore, Biblically effeminacy is caused by soft living so it may be also the result of our pampered society. (Luke 7:25) It appears in some cases similar to an inferiority complex given how studies repeatedly show those sexually abused, particularly as children, are much more likely to be homosexual, as are those with older siblings.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/45962.php
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&...4&as_sdtp=

Your ignorance of the subject is of epic proportions.

Why don't you take your hate elsewhere?

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04-05-2013, 01:11 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013 01:17 PM by Jzyehoshua.)
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(04-05-2013 12:43 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:30 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  Logically for there to be a moral law (i.e. right and wrong, good and evil) then it had to have been instituted by a moral creator, as it can't exist by chance, as pointed out by Ravi Zecharias. In other words, the determiner of right and wrong is God, not man.

As for homosexuality, it was considered a psychological disorder by the American Psychological Association until the 1970s and there's no reason to think it genetic but rather circumstantial. New research shows it's caused in animals through estrogen-imitating chemicals, meaning the increase in homosexuality is likely due in part to our use of unnatural chemicals and pesticides altering human tendency.

http://www.livescience.com/18418-male-sn...l-sex.html

Furthermore, Biblically effeminacy is caused by soft living so it may be also the result of our pampered society. (Luke 7:25) It appears in some cases similar to an inferiority complex given how studies repeatedly show those sexually abused, particularly as children, are much more likely to be homosexual, as are those with older siblings.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/45962.php
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&...4&as_sdtp=

Oh, so besides dumb, you're also a bigot and a homophobe. Enchanté, I'm sure. Inferiority complex, indeed... The stupid just burns in this one.

Jesus, why have we been attracting such a crappy bunch lately...

The only bigots are the leftwing nuts who opposed every civil rights bill from the 1850s to the 1960s. The Democratic Party supported slavery and opposed the Republicans and Lincoln who overturned it. The Ku Klux Klan? Always a Democratic organization. Civil Rights Act of 1875 passed by the Republican Party with 92% Republican support and was unanimously opposed by all Democrats.

Right to vote for women passed with 85% Republican support to only 54% of Democrats in House, and 80% to 51% in Senate. 19th amendment authored by Republicans.

Republican congress and president give Native Americans the right to vote in 1924. Republican Party creates the 1957 Civil Rights Act.

The Democrats filibuster the 1964 Civil Rights Act and like all previous civil rights legislation it passes with a higher percentage of Republicans voting in favor than Democrats, although the percentages are much closer than for past legislation. 80% of Republicans vote for it in the House to only 61% of Democrats, and 82% of Republicans in the Senate to 66% of Democrats. Lyndon Baines Johnson states he passes the bill only to get the black vote for the Democratic Party, saying "I'll have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

Hispanics got the right to vote in 1965 with the Voting Rights Act and again Republicans voted in higher percentages than Democrats.

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Right...ote_totals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Righ...Vote_count

Funny how the left likes to label the conservatives who supported civil rights for 120 years the bigots, and ignores how they were the ones who opposed civil rights, supporting slavery and discrimination, without pause.

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04-05-2013, 01:18 PM
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(04-05-2013 01:11 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:43 PM)Vera Wrote:  Oh, so besides dumb, you're also a bigot and a homophobe. Enchanté, I'm sure. Inferiority complex, indeed... The stupid just burns in this one.

Jesus, why have we been attracting such a crappy bunch lately...

The only bigots are the leftwing nuts who opposed every civil rights bill from the 1850s to the 1960s. The Democratic Party supported slavery and opposed the Republicans and Lincoln who overturned it. The Ku Klux Klan? Always a Democratic organization. Civil Rights Act of 1875 passed by the Republican Party with 92% Republican support and was unanimously opposed by all Democrats.

Right to vote for women passed with 85% Republican support to only 54% of Democrats in House, and 80% to 51% in Senate. 19th amendment authored by Republicans.

Republican congress and president give Native Americans the right to vote in 1924. Republican Party creates the 1957 Civil Rights Act.

The Democrats filibuster the 1964 Civil Rights Act and like all previous civil rights legislation it passes with a higher percentage of Republicans voting in favor than Democrats, although the percentages are much closer than for past legislation. 80% of Republicans vote for it in the House to only 61% of Democrats, and 82% of Republicans in the Senate to 66% of Democrats.

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Funny how the left likes to label the conservatives who supported civil rights for 120 years the bigots, and ignores how they were the ones who opposed civil rights, supporting slavery and discrimination, without pause.

Does your feeble mind even comprehend that the States are not the world? And that there are people here from all over the world? You know, that terra incognita beyond your borders. And that we don't give a shit about your parties and your figures you're quoting?

Now do as Chas says. We do not need such epic ignorance and bigotry.

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04-05-2013, 01:22 PM
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(04-05-2013 01:18 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:11 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  The only bigots are the leftwing nuts who opposed every civil rights bill from the 1850s to the 1960s. The Democratic Party supported slavery and opposed the Republicans and Lincoln who overturned it. The Ku Klux Klan? Always a Democratic organization. Civil Rights Act of 1875 passed by the Republican Party with 92% Republican support and was unanimously opposed by all Democrats.

Right to vote for women passed with 85% Republican support to only 54% of Democrats in House, and 80% to 51% in Senate. 19th amendment authored by Republicans.

Republican congress and president give Native Americans the right to vote in 1924. Republican Party creates the 1957 Civil Rights Act.

The Democrats filibuster the 1964 Civil Rights Act and like all previous civil rights legislation it passes with a higher percentage of Republicans voting in favor than Democrats, although the percentages are much closer than for past legislation. 80% of Republicans vote for it in the House to only 61% of Democrats, and 82% of Republicans in the Senate to 66% of Democrats.

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Funny how the left likes to label the conservatives who supported civil rights for 120 years the bigots, and ignores how they were the ones who opposed civil rights, supporting slavery and discrimination, without pause.

Does your feeble mind even comprehend that the States are not the world? And that there are people here from all over the world? You know, that terra incognita beyond your borders. And that we don't give a shit about your parties and your figures you're quoting?

Now do as Chas says. We do not need such epic ignorance and bigotry.

You do realize that religious freedom in both England and the U.S. only began because William Penn created a Quaker theocratic government called the Province of Pennsylvania (modern United States) in 1682, and while in England argued for religious freedom resulting in trial by jury, right? Look it up, religious freedom today only exists because Christians started it. You might find interesting what Jefferson and Madison wrote in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments. Point is, religious freedom and tolerance began because of Christians, not in spite of them. The least tolerant countries in the world are atheistic ones like China, Russia, and North Korea.

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04-05-2013, 01:52 PM
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(04-05-2013 01:22 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:18 PM)Vera Wrote:  Does your feeble mind even comprehend that the States are not the world? And that there are people here from all over the world? You know, that terra incognita beyond your borders. And that we don't give a shit about your parties and your figures you're quoting?

Now do as Chas says. We do not need such epic ignorance and bigotry.

You do realize that religious freedom in both England and the U.S. only began because William Penn created a Quaker theocratic government called the Province of Pennsylvania (modern United States) in 1682, and while in England argued for religious freedom resulting in trial by jury, right? Look it up, religious freedom today only exists because Christians started it. You might find interesting what Jefferson and Madison wrote in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments. Point is, religious freedom and tolerance began because of Christians, not in spite of them. The least tolerant countries in the world are atheistic ones like China, Russia, and North Korea.

No, religious freedom is a result of Enlightenment thinking. Secularism is the key, divorcing religion from governance.

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04-05-2013, 02:15 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(04-05-2013 11:03 AM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  God created the world and Satan somehow gained control of it as the "god of this world." (2 Corinthians 4:4)

This god of your scripture is a hack, can't even control what he creates, and you worship this two-bit imaginary being? I would think if you're going to invent and worship a god, invent one that isn't so easily bamboozled.

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04-05-2013, 05:19 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(04-05-2013 12:30 PM)Jzyehoshua Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  Homosexuality is wrong because it's wrong... And I further suppose that since all you will offer is this vague crap that your opinion of homosexuality is indeed nauseating. Odd, since you reject much of the old testament as being Moses's forged bullshit, that you take the most vitriolic and crappy bits as good stuff from the mouth of God.

Logically for there to be a moral law (i.e. right and wrong, good and evil) then it had to have been instituted by a moral creator, as it can't exist by chance, as pointed out by Ravi Zecharias. In other words, the determiner of right and wrong is God, not man.

The idea of right and wrong evolved because people or rather humans are social creatures who learned early on that more was accomplished by pooling resources rather than hording them.

It is because of evolution. Morality is completely subjective to what a society determines to be moral. Some ideas like murder and stealing were likely adopted first, for rather obvious reasons rather than the desire of a patronizing diety.

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