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07-08-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: [split] Assalamo alaikum
(07-08-2015 12:06 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I'm not attacking your profession. I'm attacking the hypocrisy between choosing a helping profession and adhering to the teachings of a silly book responsible for so much suffering.

You can keep your faith secret just so your son stays in touch with his family, but the others cant do it for the sake of their lives?

And it is not religion that brings suffering and bloodshed. It is people. Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao killed MILLIONS and they were atheists. They tortured and murdered priests in name of faithlessness.

It will take ISIS hundreds of years just to become equal to Mao's murder of MILLIONS of Chinese in forced famine.
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07-08-2015, 12:26 PM
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(07-08-2015 12:20 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  And it is not religion that brings suffering and bloodshed. It is people. Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao killed MILLIONS and they were atheists. They tortured and murdered priests in name of faithlessness.

It will take ISIS hundreds of years just to become equal to Mao's murder of MILLIONS of Chinese in forced famine.

Those people who kill in the name of religion do it BECAUSE of their religion. Stalin did not kill people BECAUSE he was an atheist. There's a difference there.

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07-08-2015, 12:26 PM
RE: [split] Assalamo alaikum
(07-08-2015 12:20 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 12:06 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I'm not attacking your profession. I'm attacking the hypocrisy between choosing a helping profession and adhering to the teachings of a silly book responsible for so much suffering.

You can keep your faith secret just so your son stays in touch with his family, but the others cant do it for the sake of their lives?

And it is not religion that brings suffering and bloodshed. It is people. Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao killed MILLIONS and they were atheists. They tortured and murdered priests in name of faithlessness.

It will take ISIS hundreds of years just to become equal to Mao's murder of MILLIONS of Chinese in forced famine.

Ignorant and disingenuous assertion. Those assholes killed in the name of power, not in the name of atheism, not based on their denial of a god, understand the distinction? Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but for good people to do bad things requires religion.

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07-08-2015, 12:39 PM
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(07-08-2015 12:26 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 12:20 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  And it is not religion that brings suffering and bloodshed. It is people. Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao killed MILLIONS and they were atheists. They tortured and murdered priests in name of faithlessness.

It will take ISIS hundreds of years just to become equal to Mao's murder of MILLIONS of Chinese in forced famine.

Those people who kill in the name of religion do it BECAUSE of their religion. Stalin did not kill people BECAUSE he was an atheist. There's a difference there.

If someone don't understand it then trying to enlighten him is pointless. Stalin had his own religion - marxism-leninism. He killed in the name of this religion.

For literary reference: S.S. Montefiore Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar and Rafał Imos Faith of the Soviet Man. To be fair though Jorg Baberowski, author of Verbrannte Erde. Stalins Herrschaft der Gewalt claims it was hunger of power only.

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07-08-2015, 12:40 PM
RE: [split] Assalamo alaikum
(07-08-2015 12:26 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 12:20 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  And it is not religion that brings suffering and bloodshed. It is people. Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao killed MILLIONS and they were atheists. They tortured and murdered priests in name of faithlessness.

It will take ISIS hundreds of years just to become equal to Mao's murder of MILLIONS of Chinese in forced famine.

Those people who kill in the name of religion do it BECAUSE of their religion. Stalin did not kill people BECAUSE he was an atheist. There's a difference there.

That's an oversimplification. Have you ever thought if the people killing in the name of religion actually just want power and religion is an excuse? There are several reports that suggest that top ISIS leaders are Baathists.

And Stalin DID kill because he was an atheist. He was violently opposed to any form of religion. If you ever find some time, you should read about it, its a very interesting time in history. If not for anything, at least do it for sake of knowledge.
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07-08-2015, 12:41 PM
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(07-08-2015 12:05 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 11:45 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  I did, you didn't apparently. So let me link directly to it:

Are you even reading what you are posting?................

You're clearly the one who's failing to read here. And since it's obvious that you're trolling, I'll stop here. I've made it abundantly clear that you've been wrong on both issues.

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07-08-2015, 12:42 PM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2015 12:46 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
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Lets not discuss how 95% of all terrorist attacks in history were performed by islamic fanatics, who truly believed they were following allahs will, based on their religious beliefs.

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07-08-2015, 12:43 PM
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(07-08-2015 12:04 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 11:32 AM)Astreja Wrote:  I did indeed read the thread. I hate to break it to you, Pi, but an apostate needs to be accorded the same respect and the same protections as non-Muslims. If someone doesn't believe, he doesn't believe. Would you rather he lie and say that he still believes? If I were your god, I would find that rather insulting and juvenile rather than pleasing.

Punishing someone for losing faith is absolutely not acceptable under any circumstances, no matter what your holy book says. I will not tolerate any excuses in this regard: If you are not condemning the harming of human beings in the name of your religion, by your silence you become complicit in those deaths.

Yes, they can not believe. But they should just keep their views to themselves. Islamic society does not support dissension after being part of Islam. Their views can have harmful effects on their families and friends. So if they lose faith. They should keep it to themselves. In our society you are not forced to pray, or fast or to fight. So what's the problem with them keeping their views to themself?

That you don't see that it is a problem is itself a problem.
Why should anyone have to keep it to themselves? Why should it create problems for their families and friends?
Those societies are the problem.

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07-08-2015, 12:45 PM
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(07-08-2015 11:33 AM)π¶∆ Wrote:  As for killing apostates, they are asked to repent thrice with 3 days time in between each attempt. And only the govt. can carry out the execution.

Giving them 6 days to "repent" makes it OK to kill them if they remain honest to their convictions? You are supporting a system that is barbaric at best. There is simply no justification for such reprehensible beliefs.

(07-08-2015 12:04 PM)π¶∆ Wrote:  Yes, they can not believe. But they should just keep their views to themselves. Islamic society does not support dissension after being part of Islam. Their views can have harmful effects on their families and friends. So if they lose faith. They should keep it to themselves. In our society you are not forced to pray, or fast or to fight. So what's the problem with them keeping their views to themself?

Their views are far less harmful to society than the views of Islam. Enforcing conformity at the expense of rational thought and requiring that anybody who admits to thinking for himself be ostracized and probably killed is beneath contempt.

What harmful effect can they have? Leaving religion behind is not a harm, it is a liberation.

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07-08-2015, 12:54 PM
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(07-08-2015 12:45 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Their views are far less harmful to society than the views of Islam. Enforcing conformity at the expense of rational thought and requiring that anybody who admits to thinking for himself be ostracized and probably killed is beneath contempt.

What harmful effect can they have? Leaving religion behind is not a harm, it is a liberation.

If they have went astray, they don't have to take others with them to hellfire. Rational thought leads to Allah, not away from Allah. Denying Allah after believing in Him is the biggest crime against humanity and it is the biggest lie one can speak of.
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