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24-06-2014, 12:06 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 11:50 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  
Quote:In fact, the only license that we (Christians) get to address sin is if there is sin going on in the Church that directly conflicts with its teachings or is hurting the church body.

Unfortunately we don't see much of this, especially in the Catholic Church.
In fact, I see not addressing these "sins" within the church as condoning the behavior.

Which is stupid.

Just because I'm not actively protesting abortion and picketing abortion clinics doesn't mean I condone abortion.

Again. Cherry picking.

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24-06-2014, 12:09 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 12:06 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(24-06-2014 11:50 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  Unfortunately we don't see much of this, especially in the Catholic Church.
In fact, I see not addressing these "sins" within the church as condoning the behavior.

Which is stupid.

Just because I'm not actively protesting abortion and picketing abortion clinics doesn't mean I condone abortion.

Again. Cherry picking.

Well, I was talking about the church policing itself, such as, hiding child molesters, picketing funerals....etc.
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24-06-2014, 12:25 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 07:13 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(23-06-2014 10:42 AM)Doubting Thomas Wrote:  Several days ago I made the decision to start coming out about my choice to self-identify myself as Atheist in hopes that all my fears were in my head. Unfortunately, not only was I wrong about second guessing myself, but also the reaction has become worse then I imagined it would be.

By identifying myself as an Atheist, I have now become the enemy and will now burn in hell forever. People I was once friends with have walked away while others have made it their life mission to "save my soul". I have been accused of choosing not to believe in God simply because I don't want to follow the laws of God. One person even told me that Satan used my lack of faith to pull me away from God. This makes me sick.

Here is the big kicker that makes so damn angry:

1: I do not use drugs as an Atheist however I did abuse drugs alot when I believed in God.

2: I do not kill

3: I am not having sex outside of marriage

4: I do not steal

5: I treat those around me the way I wish to be treated

How on Earth can these idiots believe that because I do not believe in God, that I have no since of morality. It's like I was saying to one of these idiot Christians the other day. I have stronger morals as an Atheist then I ever did when I was deep into religion simply because I choose to have them. I know that these few moments I have on Earth are all I have so I treat them as though they are special rather then wasting anymore time an energy on someone else's fantasy of reality.

Sorry, I just needed to complain a little. Thumbsup

Why do you expect Christians to agree with your choice to identify as an atheist?

I do not expect them to identify with anything. What I want is for people to give the same courtesy that they expect for themselves. They have no problems expressing their beliefs and expect that these beliefs should be respected ;however, when someone comes out with a different idea they have no problems whatsoever disrespecting them.
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24-06-2014, 03:53 PM
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(24-06-2014 06:58 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  no where does the new testament prohibit marriage or say the wealthy will be condemned for example.

"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25

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24-06-2014, 04:04 PM
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(24-06-2014 03:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25

In before "That passage actually means that you can't take your wealth with you when you die; all men enter Heaven with nothing." Tongue

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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24-06-2014, 04:15 PM (This post was last modified: 24-06-2014 08:31 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 06:01 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  A Christian that states that homosexuality is wrong is not bashing someone's lifestyle anymore than you are bashing someone's lifestyle when you say murder is wrong. The Christian who thinks this gives reasons for thinking so.

The issue is whether or not homosexuality is a sin. If it is then it is whether you like it or not. If it is not then it is not.

One can argue against homosexuality without even appealing to religious beliefs but by simply appealing to the effects such a lifestyle has on one who practices it.

Do tell. Let's hear that, and show us the peer reviewed studied as proof. So, if one gives *reasons* why one think something is ok, then it's ok ?

Are you on drugs ?

1 Corinthians 7 :
7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

So the ONLY reason for Germey to marry, is because he cannot control himself.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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24-06-2014, 09:24 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 06:01 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-06-2014 12:45 AM)CindysRain Wrote:  Damn, so sorry to hear!

With their mindset, you are screwed.

A couple years ago, my cousin posted bible verses on facebook against being gay. I had the audacity to argue with her, and suddenly became satan incarnate, I guess.

Within minutes, a bunch of her christian friends were online, comforting her, and reminding her that these are the "end times", the bible warns about, and I was declared a scoffer. blah, blah, blah

So, our two-way conversation wound up being about 15 to 1.

I heard the next day...........

That she had to take anxiety meds after that, and was up all night, so upset.
Please note that her bashing someone else's lifestyle was acceptable. Rolleyes

A Christian that states that homosexuality is wrong is not bashing someone's lifestyle

No, it is bigotry against a PERSON.


Quote: anymore than you are bashing someone's lifestyle when you say murder is wrong. The Christian who thinks this gives reasons for thinking so.

That is correct, because homosexuality is NOT a lifestyle. It is an innate trait.

Quote:The issue is whether or not homosexuality is a sin.

That's easy, since "sins" are merely bullshit you assholes make up to cast judgment on everyone else.


Quote: If it is then it is whether you like it or not. If it is not then it is not.


Great. Go fuck yourself.

Quote:One can argue against homosexuality without even appealing to religious beliefs but by simply appealing to the effects such a lifestyle has on one who practices it.

It's not a "lifestyle that someone "practices", moron.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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24-06-2014, 09:28 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 07:13 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Why do you expect Christians to agree with your choice to identify as an atheist?

Because he is a fucking PERSON who has a RIGHT to identify as he sees FIT, asshole.

(24-06-2014 06:37 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(24-06-2014 06:20 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  That's not even an answer.

Why does homosexuality being condemned in both testaments make my point moot that Christians are hypocrites in condemning homosexuality because they are cherry picking rules based on their own prejudice?

P.S God does not exist

you argue that Christians say homosexuality is wrong and do not say that wearing clothes woven of two different materials is wrong. you say that both are in the old testament and thus Christians are cherry picking when they say one is binding and the other is not.

the prohibition against wearing clothes woven of two different materials was a ceremonial law for the Theocratic nation of Israel and thus is no where found in the New testament.

Oh, look -- Cherry Picking and Special Pleading! Who Knew?



Quote:The prohibition against homosexuality was not a ceremonial law. It was a moral law

Homosexuality is not a moral choice, idiot. Homosexuality is an innate trait.



Quote:and is thus binding at all times in all places for all people and this is reflected in THE NEW TESTAMENT unlike the ceremonial laws.

Your fairy tale book is only "binding" on idiots stupid enough to believe in it.


Quote:Thus a Christian is neither a hypocrite or cherry picking when they claim homosexuality is still prohibited and certain ceremonial laws are not.

Cherry-picking to justify cherry-picking. How avant-garde.Rolleyes

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24-06-2014, 09:33 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
(24-06-2014 09:17 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I said arguments exist against homosexuality NOT BASED on religious beliefs.

You lied.

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24-06-2014, 09:36 PM
RE: [split] Coming Out And Ready To Crawl Back In.
Another thing Jeremy wanker , you should stop lying about your " girlfriend " . You like giant dicks destroying your asshole. Jeremy stop being a hypocrite !Thumbsup
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