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14-03-2015, 02:13 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(13-03-2015 09:09 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(13-03-2015 03:45 PM)A New Hope Wrote:  Lol sorry what im saying is when searching for knowledge it is best to remain objective until youve reached the end of your quest and can make a conclusion based off EVERYTHING youve learned rather than trying to create a conclusion before youve even started and then try and bend all you learn to fit your conclusion. This is why I really dont care to try and fight or give my opinion to you guys and why I keep stating that all I really want is links and book titles and documentary titles that yall found either interesting or helpful in understanding evolution. I understand how that goes against your schemas though which is why I said before talk ALL the SHIT you need just keep the links coming. Wink

So let me get this right you don't have the time to do a Google search for "Best books on evolution" and click like...the first 3 links and have the answer instantly, but you DO have time to come to a forum ask the question you could ask Google and wait for people to respond with the information you want. While I personally find that lazy and stupid I'll bite anyway.

The Greatest Show on Earth
Why Evolution is True

Those are two of the best as far as books go, and they are very easy to read, even for idiots, so that's a good place for you to start.

The Rough Guide to Evolution
Is less in depth but a much easier read then most, it's also funny and touches on more the just the evidence. It's a bit more....beginner then I like but that's personal preference.

Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters

This book deals with one very specific type of evidence for Evolution. I'd argue it's one of the better ones on the subject of the Fossil record.

Other good books on the Subject include, but are in no way limited to, the following:
Evolution: The Triumph of an Idea
Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body

Aron Ra has a great series on Youtube called The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism which is about the best deconstruction of and explanation of why, even if evolution was not a fact and it is, creationism is still false and not correct.
10th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism is arguably the best of the series dealing more with evolution then the problems of Creationism. It uses a lot of technical words and you might want to have a decent understanding of evolution before you watch it or your likely to just end up confused.
Lol thanks but your missing the point have YOU read all these books personally? Which did you like the best? Yeah I could hit up google and be like "yo google what books you got on evolution for a nigga?" And google can give me the top bought or the top read books on google. But if theres anything ive learned using google its that 95 percent of the population hates to deal with books that are REALLY intelligent and that google generally gives me the highest rated dumbed down books. I want books that professors are reading and talking about... not the general fucking population. Next your going to tell me to read twilight huh? I dont want books I was capable of reading in kindergarten I want a book that really gets into it a book you walk away from learning not only the fucking theory but everything leading up to its discovery the differnt sciences invloved, I want something to go over each theory from the moment it even became a firing neuron in some bitches brain to the moment it fucking became an accepted idea. Is that so fucking hard to grasp? Dodgy are you soooooo hoping for a fight that you dont understand that? If you really want to fight go to your local pub and start something like a real man dont hide behind your keyboard like a whiny little bitch... "oh what you cant use google?"," Oh what you never opened a textbook?" So tell me have you any read any books that actually go over the ENTIRE theory from COGNITION TO ACCEPTANCE???? Big Grin cause IF NOT then PLEASE SHUT UP Angry turn off your computer and go drink a beer. OR [Image: ad0d52526f8a8c081ba24121bbe4c24a.jpg]Thank you. (I still want links some of you are giving me links that do exactley what I want. Thank you.)
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14-03-2015, 02:24 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(12-03-2015 11:30 PM)A New Hope Wrote:  
(10-03-2015 09:18 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Hardly. There is a distinct difference between being the opposition, and being a skeptic; they are not one in the same. If you do consider yourself to be both a believer and a skeptic, then you really suck at one of those two things.





Once again, hardly. If you were genuinely looking for answers, you already have have access to Google. You came here to pick a fight, to defend your current position, under the guise of JAQ'ing off.





Nice try jackass, but you don't get to unilaterally reverse the burden of proof just because it's become too inconvenient for you.

Christian - Someone who espouses (at a minimum) the positive belief in Yahweh, the divinity of his son (who is also himself) Jesus, and his death and resurrection to save all mankind from their inherent sin if they believe.

Atheist - Someone who doubts all of the above.

So remind me again, even on a Christian forum, who the skeptic would be again? Oh right, not the one wearing the label burdened with necessary dogmatic beliefs tied into positive claims about reality!





First, you present evidence for creationism. Go ahead, we'll wait. Because I give zero fucks about doing biology homework for some ignorant theistic troll too lazy to get themselves a real education.

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Lol have you ever heard of a church called the Westboro Baptist Church cause I feel like a good amount of you would fit in quite nicely just dont talk ahout your differneces in faith and I could easily see all of you being one big happy family. Yes I COULD go on some giant hunt, spend lots of time that I really dont have going on this huge journey to find the NoGod or I could simply wade through alot of your bullshit checking out the links that yall post up. So keep talking shit if it makes you feel better (I get it you probably have no sense of control over your life and are trying to take out these frustrations on me I know youll never admit but a little bit of introspection never hurt anyone Wink ) just keep the links coming please so that I may review them at my leisure. Also... troll? Lmao I must be pretty good at it since I didnt even realize thats what I was doing......

The amount of ignorance is stunning.

Atheism is a lack of belief. It's a non-claim. It's "I lack a belief/don't believe in gods." We don't have to back anything up. It's the person making the extraordinary claim of there being a God to actually prove it.

Equating him with Westboro is ignoring the huge gaping difference here. Namely, what he is doing is mere criticism. Westboro is a bigoted hate group spouting hate speech against 'fags' and protesting funerals for attention. If you're so off put by a mere criticism, then you shouldn't be on the Internet.
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14-03-2015, 02:47 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(12-03-2015 11:30 PM)A New Hope Wrote:  Lol have you ever heard of a church called the Westboro Baptist Church cause I feel like a good amount of you would fit in quite nicely just dont talk ahout your differneces in faith and I could easily see all of you being one big happy family. Yes I COULD go on some giant hunt, spend lots of time that I really dont have going on this huge journey to find the NoGod or I could simply wade through alot of your bullshit checking out the links that yall post up. So keep talking shit if it makes you feel better (I get it you probably have no sense of control over your life and are trying to take out these frustrations on me I know youll never admit but a little bit of introspection never hurt anyone Wink ) just keep the links coming please so that I may review them at my leisure. Also... troll? Lmao I must be pretty good at it since I didnt even realize thats what I was doing......


Methinks thou doth project too much...


You're too lazy and strapped for time to figure this shit out on your own, yet you have time to waste arguing on a atheist forum? Of course you do, because educating yourself was never your objective.


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14-03-2015, 03:18 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 02:24 AM)Kaepora Gaebora Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 11:30 PM)A New Hope Wrote:  Lol have you ever heard of a church called the Westboro Baptist Church cause I feel like a good amount of you would fit in quite nicely just dont talk ahout your differneces in faith and I could easily see all of you being one big happy family. Yes I COULD go on some giant hunt, spend lots of time that I really dont have going on this huge journey to find the NoGod or I could simply wade through alot of your bullshit checking out the links that yall post up. So keep talking shit if it makes you feel better (I get it you probably have no sense of control over your life and are trying to take out these frustrations on me I know youll never admit but a little bit of introspection never hurt anyone Wink ) just keep the links coming please so that I may review them at my leisure. Also... troll? Lmao I must be pretty good at it since I didnt even realize thats what I was doing......

The amount of ignorance is stunning.

Atheism is a lack of belief. It's a non-claim. It's "I lack a belief/don't believe in gods." We don't have to back anything up. It's the person making the extraordinary claim of there being a God to actually prove it.

Equating him with Westboro is ignoring the huge gaping difference here. Namely, what he is doing is mere criticism. Westboro is a bigoted hate group spouting hate speech against 'fags' and protesting funerals for attention. If you're so off put by a mere criticism, then you shouldn't be on the Internet.
Lmao stupidity becomes you. I know exactley what atheism is, me and moms talked about this earlier. Im not here to defend my belief or try and put down your lack of belief. I give no shits what you do with your life. All I want is the cold hard facts. I want them presented from cognition to acceptance. Can you give me that?

LMAO how tall are you? Cause alot seems to go over your head. The connection I was making was that just like that church hes to caught up in beliefs and lack of beliefs to really say anything worth believing? Yall like science right? GOOD, SO DO I. Now children whats the MOST IMPORTANT rule when studying any science? Can ANYONE tell me? IS ANYONE OUT THERE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEBER AND TO DO WHEN STUDYING ANY SCIENCE? Angry (Please Lord give one of them the wisdom to answer my question, they can't be that much of a sheeple to not know scientific fundamentals.)
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14-03-2015, 04:55 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 03:18 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  LMAO how tall are you? Cause alot seems to go over your head. The connection I was making was that just like that church hes to caught up in beliefs and lack of beliefs to really say anything worth believing? Yall like science right? GOOD, SO DO I. Now children whats the MOST IMPORTANT rule when studying any science? Can ANYONE tell me? IS ANYONE OUT THERE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEBER AND TO DO WHEN STUDYING ANY SCIENCE? Angry (Please Lord give one of them the wisdom to answer my question, they can't be that much of a sheeple to not know scientific fundamentals.)

Science is about honesty, so if you want to say anything is "most important" out of the things that a scientist does then the most important thing to remember is that your subjective notion of what's going on might be incorrect, and that beyond being honest in your experiments and theorising you also have to be honest with yourself and guard against the danger that you're just pushing your little pet theory which isn't actually quite up to the job.

BUT you better be bloody sure - before you go all "so Theory of Evolution" on me - you better be bloody sure you've done your homework before you declare that current scientific consensus is incorrect, because other scientists will shred your work and laugh at you if you've made some error, or if your error is sufficiently stoopid and schoolboyish that you're clearly a crank they'll just ignore you and get on with their lives.

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14-03-2015, 06:42 AM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 03:18 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 02:24 AM)Kaepora Gaebora Wrote:  The amount of ignorance is stunning.

Atheism is a lack of belief. It's a non-claim. It's "I lack a belief/don't believe in gods." We don't have to back anything up. It's the person making the extraordinary claim of there being a God to actually prove it.

Equating him with Westboro is ignoring the huge gaping difference here. Namely, what he is doing is mere criticism. Westboro is a bigoted hate group spouting hate speech against 'fags' and protesting funerals for attention. If you're so off put by a mere criticism, then you shouldn't be on the Internet.
Lmao stupidity becomes you. I know exactley what atheism is, me and moms talked about this earlier. Im not here to defend my belief or try and put down your lack of belief. I give no shits what you do with your life. All I want is the cold hard facts. I want them presented from cognition to acceptance. Can you give me that?

LMAO how tall are you? Cause alot seems to go over your head. The connection I was making was that just like that church hes to caught up in beliefs and lack of beliefs to really say anything worth believing? Yall like science right? GOOD, SO DO I. Now children whats the MOST IMPORTANT rule when studying any science? Can ANYONE tell me? IS ANYONE OUT THERE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEBER AND TO DO WHEN STUDYING ANY SCIENCE? Angry (Please Lord give one of them the wisdom to answer my question, they can't be that much of a sheeple to not know scientific fundamentals.)

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14-03-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  Lol thanks but your missing the point have YOU read all these books personally? Which did you like the best?
Oh I don't know ......maybe the two that I linked and immediately said "These are two of the best as far as books go?" don't you think? If your reading comprehension is so bad that you have to ask me which I think are best after I literally just fucking telling you perhaps I should find some Pop Up books on evolution for you.

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I want books that professors are reading and talking about... not the general fucking population.
That's nice but first off you ARE the general population and if you had a basic idea on what evolution is and how it works you would have already realized it's true and we would not be having the conversation so no I do in fact think you're a rank amateur and you should start at the bottom, however that did not keep me from listing books (and videos) that I personally think are beyond your grasp.
Secondly while looking back at what I replied to I don't see you once asking for "books professors are reading" (which as an aside is all the ones I fucking listed) what I do see you asking for is:
Quote:all I really want is links and book titles and documentary titles that yall found either interesting or helpful in understanding evolution
Which is exactly what I gave you you pissy little lying asshole. You notice how at no point that says "professor level reading (of which you are not btw)"?

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I dont want books I was capable of reading in kindergarten
That's good because I doubt any exist. Drinking Beverage
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(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I want a book that really gets into it a book you walk away from learning not only the fucking theory but everything leading up to its discovery the differnt sciences invloved...
And you, having never read a single one of the books I listed as valuable resources, have no goddamn idea if any of those books does or does not contain such information. Pro Tip: They totally fucking do!
So now I'm left to figure out if your being an overly hostile asshole because you genuinely didn't know that what I gave you was exactly what you asked for in the response I quoted, or if your just being an overly hostile asshole because that's what you came here to be.

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  are you soooooo hoping for a fight that
If I was looking for a fight I wouldn't have wasted my time posted any links at all and simply told you to take your ignorant, hostile, uneducated, arrogant, Dunning-Kruger filled, Holocaust denying(based on a shit web site, with shit sources, and zero peer-review, which has already been debunked) peice of shit ass the fuck off this forum and stop polluting the internet in part or as a whole.
I didn't however, in fact I gave you exactly what you asked for, so you can take your accusation of me looking for a fight, pack it into a M109 155mm Self-propelled Howitzer and fire it directly up your dumb ass.

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  If you really want to fight go to your local pub and start something like a real man dont hide behind your keyboard like a whiny little bitch...
He says while doing exactly that and posting, overused and unoriginal, pictures telling me to shut the fuck up from the safety of his keyboard.Rolleyes
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(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  So tell me have you any read any books that actually go over the ENTIRE theory from COGNITION TO ACCEPTANCE????
The fact you think there is a single book that covers every single thing about evolution, that details the entire theory and it's entire timeline as a scientifically validated fact proves just how woefully uneducated in the field you are. If you're looking for a collection of books that as a whole can give you, more or less, a view of the entire theory and it's history.....I provided that. In my original post. Like you asked for. You stupid fucking troglodyte.
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14-03-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 12:08 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  Lol thanks but your missing the point have YOU read all these books personally? Which did you like the best?
Oh I don't know ......maybe the two that I linked and immediately said "These are two of the best as far as books go?" don't you think? If your reading comprehension is so bad that you have to ask me which I think are best after I literally just fucking telling you perhaps I should find some Pop Up books on evolution for you.

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I want books that professors are reading and talking about... not the general fucking population.
That's nice but first off you ARE the general population and if you had a basic idea on what evolution is and how it works you would have already realized it's true and we would not be having the conversation so no I do in fact think you're a rank amateur and you should start at the bottom, however that did not keep me from listing books (and videos) that I personally think are beyond your grasp.
Secondly while looking back at what I replied to I don't see you once asking for "books professors are reading" (which as an aside is all the ones I fucking listed) what I do see you asking for is:
Quote:all I really want is links and book titles and documentary titles that yall found either interesting or helpful in understanding evolution

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I dont want books I was capable of reading in kindergarten

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  I want a book that really gets into it a book you walk away from learning not only the fucking theory but everything leading up to its discovery the differnt sciences invloved...

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  are you soooooo hoping for a fight that

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  If you really want to fight go to your local pub and start something like a real man dont hide behind your keyboard like a whiny little bitch...

(14-03-2015 02:13 AM)A New Hope Wrote:  So tell me have you any read any books that actually go over the ENTIRE theory from COGNITION TO ACCEPTANCE????
The fact you think there is a single book that covers every single thing about evolution, that details the entire theory and it's entire timeline as a scientifically validated fact proves just how woefully uneducated in the field you are. If you're looking for a collection of books that as a whole can give you, more or less, a view of the entire theory and it's history.....I provided that. In my original post. Like you asked for. You stupid fucking troglodyte.
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Lmao cause I was hostile from from the get go, RIGHT? Rolleyes ANYWAYS no I dont think there is a SINGLE book if I thought there was a SINGLE book out there explaining everything why would I come asking for BOOKS AND LINKS (PLURAL IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE S AT THE END OF EACH WORD MEANS)? I already have a small list of books I plan to read, thanks to some of the users.... who I happened to never have to get into it with....but im the one looking for a fight RIGHT? Rolleyes (LOL forgive him Lord for he knows not what he does, blessed be the fucking mentally challenged) its actually funny cause I was bringing up this forum to a professor of mine and told her my goal she laughed and said that it would work but that ill probably have to wade through a whole bunch of NAIVE or NARROW MINDED atheists. She said that these websites tend to attract the atheists that are incapable of applying science to their approach to things and are more likely than not the atheists whose "christian" mom use to abuse as a child, or who had there there lunch money stolen by a "christian" or sheeple that cant think for themsleves. Somebody probably told you that you should.be an atheist and you were all like, "well I guess I should be an atheist" (lol paraphrased a little but the point is the same) (God I never thought I would have to call some one narrow minded on here, but sticking to ones schemas is an ailment of all humankind not just christians I guess. Sad its fucking sad there really seems to be no difference between bigot christians and atheists) I digress, please if you no longer have anything USEFUL to add [Image: 644de53a8b7ad64a810378503c383299.jpg] can you do that for me? Do you know how to keep your thoughts to yourself? Lol then you understand why I think you would fit in at the local pub? LMAO kindergarten...... not even worth explaining why thats hilarious. Lets pretend your argument is right and I can as illiterate as you find yourself most times.... still give me titles let me worry about what I can and cant read..... IN FACT if you truly believe what you said then you would give me the harder titles ONLY so I can waste my money Wink. Now does anyone have anything intelligent to add? And is anyone going to answer my science question? Ill give you a hint every fucking science class teaches you (or reminds you) this in the first two weeks of class one way or another. [Image: d8a1b9b509318f0033b8a37c162012cd.jpg]
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14-03-2015, 01:26 PM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
Rolleyes

1. Learn to format your posts.

2. Yay, you figured out how to use memes. You are the 1067th random Christian to think that this means you win an argument.

3. Why are you guys always so goddamn tedious? Keep it short FFS.

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14-03-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: [split] Conversations with Theists/Creationists
(14-03-2015 01:26 PM)morondog Wrote:  Rolleyes

1. Learn to format your posts.

2. Yay, you figured out how to use memes. You are the 1067th random Christian to think that this means you win an argument.

3. Why are you guys always so goddamn tedious? Keep it short FFS.
Lol the app im using doesnt allow me to format. :/

WHAT!!!? Using a meme doesnt mean absolute fucking victory? Undecided I didnt know. So what does mean victory repeating the same stupid arguements? Or just being to much of an idiot to realize when someone doesnt care to fight with you? How about blindly following beliefs without questioning them enough to TRULY understand them? OH I KNOW BEING A DRUNKARD IS WHAT BRINGS VICTORY RIGHT?

Lol and im hoping that the longer it takes for him to comprehend what I said the less I have to deal with blind little children that ALL seem to be incapable of answering my BASIC science question. If you dont know thats fine it shows what type of atheist you are.
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