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17-01-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: [split] Debating Lion IRC
(17-01-2013 01:16 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(17-01-2013 01:11 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  You said I wasnt able to make an argument that you haven't heard ''a thousand times'' before.
How do you know that in advance?
Again, I did not actually say that. I predicted that this is going to be the case, hence why I used the future tense ("[...] it's not like he will be able to [...]"). I do not claim to know for certain whether or not you will be able to make an argument that I haven't heard before.

That strikes me as a little biased and irrational.
But kudos for clarifying that its just a belief on your part.
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17-01-2013, 01:21 PM
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I see nothing has been accomplished yet... still...

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17-01-2013, 01:23 PM
RE: [split] Debating Lion IRC
(17-01-2013 01:21 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I see nothing has been accomplished yet... still...

Nice.
You showed up to add nothing by saying that nothing has been accomplished.
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17-01-2013, 01:24 PM
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Since your consciousness is 100% dependant on your brain chemistry, proven over and over by Neuro-science, there is absolutely no mechanism by which "personal consciousness" could or would survive death, since it can't even survive an accident, or medical "insult". So much for that crap.

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17-01-2013, 01:25 PM
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(17-01-2013 01:21 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  That strikes me as a little biased and irrational.
Do you mind elaborating on why you think this?

(17-01-2013 01:21 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  But kudos for clarifying that its just a belief on your part.
No problem.

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17-01-2013, 01:26 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2013 01:33 PM by Lion IRC.)
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I think the credibility and rational basis for belief in the death and Resurrection of Jesus has to start with an examination of motive.

a) Gods motive - why would He do that?

b) The motive of those attesting the historical events - how did they benefit?
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17-01-2013, 01:28 PM
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If you could deconstruct and challenge either or both of these, then you might have the beginnings of a (sceptical) case against the Resurrection
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17-01-2013, 01:32 PM
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(17-01-2013 01:28 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  If you could deconstruct and challenge either or both of these, then you might have the beginnings of a case against the Resurrection
Both of these questions are loaded questions.

The first question presupposes the existence of the Christian god Yahweh while the second question presupposes the existence of (testimonies from) witnesses of these "historical" events.

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17-01-2013, 01:36 PM
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Yes, of course the first question assumes the existence of a Being capable of causing waht we think of as a supernatural event.
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17-01-2013, 01:42 PM
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An examination of motive is important because is underpins the claim.
If you are skeptical of the claims that God dunnit, ask why would God do such a thing.
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