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14-11-2014, 10:06 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 08:15 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Popping in again: How does everybody here feel about the specifics of gun ownership?

(Obviously anubody can answer anything.)

Zeke:
-Would you feel better if people were restricted to the types of guns they could get? If so what types? Rifles? Pistols? Semi-auto? Full auto? I understand a bazooka, to reach for an extreme example, is a very large rifle/ small cannon; is that OK?

Pro-gun crowd in general:
-Are fully automatic weapons OK? Under what curcumstances would you reverse your answer?
What about the concealed carry laws? What do they do in areas that you're in? What should they do?
-Gun collecting is presumeably a thing you support; do you have a different opinion when the rationale behind owning the weapon is for the sake of owning the weapon as opposed to self defense or hunting or somethong?
-At what point is a, hypothetical, "best gun" (The gun that fires the most rounds, most accurately, with the greatest ability to contain rounds) overkill for the role it was purchased for?

Everybody:
-What would people say if the standard bullet type changed to less lethal amunition? (Rubber bullets or beanbag rounds or something.)
-How do you feel about other variations of bullets? Ones that aren't just slugs; FMJ, hollow points, whatever. They make the gun better at specific tasks: does that change the function or the validity of the task the ammo was purchased for?
- I mean: If you're purchasing a shotgun for home defense is it a better option to pick SABOT or birdshot?
-Would anybody ever need the more specialised ammo types?

I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

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14-11-2014, 10:14 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:06 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 08:15 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Popping in again: How does everybody here feel about the specifics of gun ownership?

(Obviously anubody can answer anything.)

Zeke:
-Would you feel better if people were restricted to the types of guns they could get? If so what types? Rifles? Pistols? Semi-auto? Full auto? I understand a bazooka, to reach for an extreme example, is a very large rifle/ small cannon; is that OK?

Pro-gun crowd in general:
-Are fully automatic weapons OK? Under what curcumstances would you reverse your answer?
What about the concealed carry laws? What do they do in areas that you're in? What should they do?
-Gun collecting is presumeably a thing you support; do you have a different opinion when the rationale behind owning the weapon is for the sake of owning the weapon as opposed to self defense or hunting or somethong?
-At what point is a, hypothetical, "best gun" (The gun that fires the most rounds, most accurately, with the greatest ability to contain rounds) overkill for the role it was purchased for?

Everybody:
-What would people say if the standard bullet type changed to less lethal amunition? (Rubber bullets or beanbag rounds or something.)
-How do you feel about other variations of bullets? Ones that aren't just slugs; FMJ, hollow points, whatever. They make the gun better at specific tasks: does that change the function or the validity of the task the ammo was purchased for?
- I mean: If you're purchasing a shotgun for home defense is it a better option to pick SABOT or birdshot?
-Would anybody ever need the more specialised ammo types?

I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

I differ with you on point one. I think that the average shooter, in and intruder situation will do better with a shotgun. Sighting and striking the target is more likely. If the darn thing misfires you then have a very nice stick! If you're using buckshot and miss hopefully it will do less damage.

Where I live, if I miss using a pistol, that round(s) is going to the zipping around my next door neighbors house. Smile

Love ya Cathy Big Grin

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14-11-2014, 10:24 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:14 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:06 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

I differ with you on point one. I think that the average shooter, in and intruder situation will do better with a shotgun. Sighting and striking the target is more likely. If the darn thing misfires you then have a very nice stick! If you're using buckshot and miss hopefully it will do less damage.

Where I live, if I miss using a pistol, that round(s) is going to the zipping around my next door neighbors house. Smile

Love ya Cathy Big Grin

In a home defense situation a long gun will have you more exposed than a pistol and take longer to bring on target. You can buy frangible rounds that break up on impact with anything to minimize risk to anyone but your intended target.
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14-11-2014, 10:30 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:06 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 08:15 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Popping in again: How does everybody here feel about the specifics of gun ownership?

(Obviously anubody can answer anything.)

Zeke:
-Would you feel better if people were restricted to the types of guns they could get? If so what types? Rifles? Pistols? Semi-auto? Full auto? I understand a bazooka, to reach for an extreme example, is a very large rifle/ small cannon; is that OK?

Pro-gun crowd in general:
-Are fully automatic weapons OK? Under what curcumstances would you reverse your answer?
What about the concealed carry laws? What do they do in areas that you're in? What should they do?
-Gun collecting is presumeably a thing you support; do you have a different opinion when the rationale behind owning the weapon is for the sake of owning the weapon as opposed to self defense or hunting or somethong?
-At what point is a, hypothetical, "best gun" (The gun that fires the most rounds, most accurately, with the greatest ability to contain rounds) overkill for the role it was purchased for?

Everybody:
-What would people say if the standard bullet type changed to less lethal amunition? (Rubber bullets or beanbag rounds or something.)
-How do you feel about other variations of bullets? Ones that aren't just slugs; FMJ, hollow points, whatever. They make the gun better at specific tasks: does that change the function or the validity of the task the ammo was purchased for?
- I mean: If you're purchasing a shotgun for home defense is it a better option to pick SABOT or birdshot?
-Would anybody ever need the more specialised ammo types?

I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

There's not a whole lot of spread at indoor distances. And if only half of the pellets hit the target, it's still a stopper.

Quote:And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

Do you mean 'effectiveness'?

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14-11-2014, 10:39 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:24 AM)wazzel Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:14 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  I differ with you on point one. I think that the average shooter, in and intruder situation will do better with a shotgun. Sighting and striking the target is more likely. If the darn thing misfires you then have a very nice stick! If you're using buckshot and miss hopefully it will do less damage.

Where I live, if I miss using a pistol, that round(s) is going to the zipping around my next door neighbors house. Smile

Love ya Cathy Big Grin

In a home defense situation a long gun will have you more exposed than a pistol and take longer to bring on target. You can buy frangible rounds that break up on impact with anything to minimize risk to anyone but your intended target.

The average person suddenly thrown into a comabt situation is more likely to miss a target with a pistol than a shotgun. I'm quite comfortable with pistols and have been in high stress situations with them, I would opt for the shotgun. Drinking Beverage

Most people do not use those types of rounds. They're more likely to send a regular round down range.

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14-11-2014, 10:53 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:14 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:06 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

I differ with you on point one. I think that the average shooter, in and intruder situation will do better with a shotgun. Sighting and striking the target is more likely. If the darn thing misfires you then have a very nice stick! If you're using buckshot and miss hopefully it will do less damage.

Where I live, if I miss using a pistol, that round(s) is going to the zipping around my next door neighbors house. Smile

Love ya Cathy Big Grin

You can disagree with me, man. No crime in that. I don't prefer a shotgun for self defense because of the time it takes me to shoulder the weapon, aim and fire. Also, since the majority of intruder encounters occur in the hallway of the house, you also have the problem of bringing the barrel around in a tight space.

A hollow point would prevent it from going zipping around your next door neighbors house because the whole purpose of the hollow points is to balloon out to reduce the speed by friction.

And if you are firing at a range, you use full metal jackets....because they are cheaper.

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14-11-2014, 10:54 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:39 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:24 AM)wazzel Wrote:  In a home defense situation a long gun will have you more exposed than a pistol and take longer to bring on target. You can buy frangible rounds that break up on impact with anything to minimize risk to anyone but your intended target.

The average person suddenly thrown into a comabt situation is more likely to miss a target with a pistol than a shotgun. I'm quite comfortable with pistols and have been in high stress situations with them, I would opt for the shotgun. Drinking Beverage

Most people do not use those types of rounds. They're more likely to send a regular round down range.

I suspect the average person will miss with whatever you put in their hand. Hopefully if a person is gearing up for home defense that take projectile type into account when purchasing ammo. I guess I expect people to think.
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14-11-2014, 10:57 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:30 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:06 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I'm on my mobile and it takes forever to delete the parts I'm not responding to.

1) shotguns for home defense - in my and only my opinion - are not that great. While buckshot is effective for close range, I prefer accuracy. I don't want to inadvertently harm anyone else.

There's not a whole lot of spread at indoor distances. And if only half of the pellets hit the target, it's still a stopper.

Quote:And 2)

Hollow points improve accuracy by virtue of stopping in the target instead of passing through the target, and into an unintended target

Do you mean 'effectiveness'?

If I stopped an intruder. I consider it effective. Most encounters also occur within 5 feet. And no doubt, a shotgun is a stopper. What I'm saying its that in the time it takes me to bring the barrel of a shotgun (a lot heavier than a pistol) onto the target, the target could be past the dangerous end of the gun and onto me in that time.

I prefer accuracy - and thats because I'm extremely proficient in shooting. I only want to hit my target, and not anything else. I am limited in limiting the spray if I use a shotgun.

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14-11-2014, 11:00 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:54 AM)wazzel Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:39 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  The average person suddenly thrown into a comabt situation is more likely to miss a target with a pistol than a shotgun. I'm quite comfortable with pistols and have been in high stress situations with them, I would opt for the shotgun. Drinking Beverage

Most people do not use those types of rounds. They're more likely to send a regular round down range.

I suspect the average person will miss with whatever you put in their hand. Hopefully if a person is gearing up for home defense that take projectile type into account when purchasing ammo. I guess I expect people to think.

I would say that most pistol owners know the difference and purpose of a full metal jacket vs a hollow point. Shit..on the box of FMJ it actually says "Plinking"

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14-11-2014, 11:01 AM
RE: [split] Firearm Education Thread (lots of pics)
(14-11-2014 10:54 AM)wazzel Wrote:  
(14-11-2014 10:39 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  The average person suddenly thrown into a comabt situation is more likely to miss a target with a pistol than a shotgun. I'm quite comfortable with pistols and have been in high stress situations with them, I would opt for the shotgun. Drinking Beverage

Most people do not use those types of rounds. They're more likely to send a regular round down range.

I suspect the average person will miss with whatever you put in their hand. Hopefully if a person is gearing up for home defense that take projectile type into account when purchasing ammo. I guess I expect people to think.

"I guess I expect people to think." My dear Wazzel. That gave me a very good chuckle. Big Grin

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