[split] I need to rant to other atheists.
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15-06-2014, 09:21 PM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(15-06-2014 10:39 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-06-2014 09:08 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  1. Does your god exist ..... independently from anyone's desires, likes, dislikes, hopes, fears, wishes, preferences, faith or tantrums or is its existent dependent upon anyone's desires, likes, dislikes, hopes, fears, wishes, preferences, faith or tantrums?

The word "anyone" includes God and so your answer is no. God cannot exist independently of Himself. He is self-existent and exists independently of anything outside of Himself but not independently of Himself. Thus He is not contingent or dependent upon anyone or anything outside of Himself for His existence. God exists in and of Himself and is the only Being in existence which can rightly be said to be self-existent or aseitic.

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(15-06-2014 09:08 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  2. Is the Bible true regardless of anyone's desires, likes, dislikes, hopes, fears, wishes, preferences, faith or tantrums or is its truth dependent on anyone's desires, likes, dislikes, hopes, fears, wishes, preferences, faith or tantrums?

The Bible is true because it was inspired by God. God inspiring the authors to write what they did means that every word is true for God cannot lie. The Bible is not true independently of God but true because it is of God.

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Fucking moron.


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(15-06-2014 09:08 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  Did your god create everything distinct from itself by an act of conscious will?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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(15-06-2014 09:08 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  Does your god maintain everything in existence by an act of conscious will?

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature, and He upholds the universe by the word of His power.

For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Your word salad doesn't answer his question, shitstain.

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(15-06-2014 09:08 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  Can your god change anything that exists by an act of conscious will?

Our God is in the heavens; He does all that He pleases.

Funny how we can't see your fairy tale monster when you claim it's in the sky.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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15-06-2014, 09:43 PM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(15-06-2014 12:11 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-06-2014 11:33 AM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  It doesn't. It's a false dilemma for folks who need a lifelong parental figure to tell them murder is wrong, or in Jeremy's case, why it's not OK to rape.

how is it a false dilemma?

Moral values and duties are either grounded in the shifting sands of human opinion

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You are egregiously misrepresenting the alternatives and lumping them into one category. But where you FAIL the MOST is in your neglecting the ethics of reciprocity that YOUR OWN religion stole from the Buddha and others: the "Golden Rule", which is DECIDEDLY NOT an "objective" moral system.

READ THIS SLOWLY, ASSWIPE: THE ETHICAL SYSTEM ATTRIBUTED TO YOUR GAWD-BOY IN YOUR FAIRY-TALE BOOK IS *NOT* AN "OBJECTIVE MORALITY".



Quote: or they are grounded in something that makes them true for all people at all places at all times.

They are either objective or subjective. There is no third option, thus it is not a false dilemma.

Bullshit.



Quote:The statement: "It is wrong for Catholic priests to molest people." is either referring to nothing more than the opinions of some people, or it is referring to a law that transcends the opinions of people that says men who are responsible for caring for people under their charge have the obligation to care for them and make sure they are safe and not to molest them.

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Quote:Blah blah blah, objective morality bullshit, false dichotomy bullshit, wank wank wank...


Would YOU like to be a child getting assfucked by a priest, Jermy Boy?

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15-06-2014, 09:47 PM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(15-06-2014 12:44 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  You see, in your world where moral statements are just referring to the opinions of people,

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Quote:there is no standard to compare your morality and the morality of the rapist to to say that yours more closely adheres to the standard.

YOU don't dictate our morality for us, asshole. Stuff your wicker man up your ass and set it on fire.





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It's La Gioconda, fucking ignoramus.



(15-06-2014 01:18 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-06-2014 01:16 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  there is no way that morality is anything other than subjective. That is an objective truth.

Why?

Without some sort of evidence for that truth-claim, then Christopher would enjoin us to dismiss it without even requiring us to give evidence for why we dismiss it.

WHAT??????? JERMY is demanding EVIDENCE???????

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