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10-06-2014, 09:24 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 08:52 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  You see the thing is, you see no problem in living to pursue happiness. The problem is, is that if everyone lived this way, life would be unlivable. For at the end of the day you do care if people treat you with respect. You do care if people care about you and the things you think are important. But if you extend the right to everyone else that you reserve for yourself, i.e to do whatever makes them happy, you do away with law itself. You are left with lawlessness and anarchy.

It's sad that you think the pursuit of happiness will lead to lawlessness and anarchy. It's completely depressing that you assume happiness must come from selfish, immoral behavior.

Running makes me happy. Playing music makes me happy. Reading makes me happy. Being in the water makes me happy. Looking at the view from on top of a mountain makes me happy. A society of runners, readers, musicians, swimmers, and hikers sure sounds like a lawless hell.

What a wonderful, healthy attitude you have towards happiness. Yet another reason why I left Christianity behind. You're actually shamed for pursuing happiness and any sort of personal success. It's to be expected when you follow the teachings of one who condones human sacrifice and suffering, with the promise of a grand prize after death.

I prefer to follow the lessons set forth by Bilbo Baggins. Seek adventure, face your fears, be loyal to your friends, and kill giant spiders.

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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10-06-2014, 09:26 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
Seth is a radio personality riding the atheist wave.

He is no atheist.

I have known too many of his type.

Jeremy Walker trolls here?

What a fool am I!

NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public.
I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
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10-06-2014, 09:30 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:19 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 09:12 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I do not observe Lent. You assumed I did. I use my computer for many things. To pay bills, to look at news. For work, to correspond with friends and to talk to others about Jesus. I also play Chess.

If I were to use it for evil purposes or if God called me to abdtain from using it for a time as He has in the past, and did not deny myself and still used it, then I would be in sin.
Why do you pay bills? If you did not have luxuries, you would not have bills. Chess? News? Jesus would be ashamed at your lack of self denial! Don't even try to use "talking to others about Jesus" as an excuse. Clearly you can do that in person and in church. You don't need a computer. It's a luxury that you are not denying yourself. You can be dishonest with yourself, but remember, Jesus knows the truth. Of course, I don't believe this, but you should... Drinking Beverage

I do not believe in being an ascetic for the sake of being an ascetic. There are ascetics that are ascetics for selfish reasons which would be self defeating. If God called me to give up the life and family and things He has given me, I would seek to do that by His help. But God has not called me to be an ascetic. Rather, He has called me to glorify Him right where I am and use the things He has given me in a manner that bring glory to Him and edify those around me.

In order to do this, I have to deny myself. Simply meaning that I deny myself when I have the lustful desire to look at porn on my computer or to return cursing for cursing and evil for evil to people here on this forum when they slander me. I use my computer in a manner that is glorifying to God and in this I must deny myself.
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10-06-2014, 09:34 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
Jeremy. Do you masturbate?
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10-06-2014, 09:39 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:34 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Jeremy. Do you masturbate?

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10-06-2014, 09:41 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:30 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 09:19 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Why do you pay bills? If you did not have luxuries, you would not have bills. Chess? News? Jesus would be ashamed at your lack of self denial! Don't even try to use "talking to others about Jesus" as an excuse. Clearly you can do that in person and in church. You don't need a computer. It's a luxury that you are not denying yourself. You can be dishonest with yourself, but remember, Jesus knows the truth. Of course, I don't believe this, but you should... Drinking Beverage

I do not believe in being an ascetic for the sake of being an ascetic. There are ascetics that are ascetics for selfish reasons which would be self defeating. If God called me to give up the life and family and things He has given me, I would seek to do that by His help. But God has not called me to be an ascetic. Rather, He has called me to glorify Him right where I am and use the things He has given me in a manner that bring glory to Him and edify those around me.

In order to do this, I have to deny myself. Simply meaning that I deny myself when I have the lustful desire to look at porn on my computer or to return cursing for cursing and evil for evil to people here on this forum when they slander me. I use my computer in a manner that is glorifying to God and in this I must deny myself.
You are on here asking people why they don't live a life of self-denial, but you yourself don't do so. Then when asked about it, all you provided was this description of the excuses that you use for your failure to do so. Drinking Beverage

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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10-06-2014, 09:42 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:30 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 09:19 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Why do you pay bills? If you did not have luxuries, you would not have bills. Chess? News? Jesus would be ashamed at your lack of self denial! Don't even try to use "talking to others about Jesus" as an excuse. Clearly you can do that in person and in church. You don't need a computer. It's a luxury that you are not denying yourself. You can be dishonest with yourself, but remember, Jesus knows the truth. Of course, I don't believe this, but you should... Drinking Beverage

I do not believe in being an ascetic for the sake of being an ascetic. There are ascetics that are ascetics for selfish reasons which would be self defeating. If God called me to give up the life and family and things He has given me, I would seek to do that by His help. But God has not called me to be an ascetic. Rather, He has called me to glorify Him right where I am and use the things He has given me in a manner that bring glory to Him and edify those around me.

In order to do this, I have to deny myself. Simply meaning that I deny myself when I have the lustful desire to look at porn on my computer or to return cursing for cursing and evil for evil to people here on this forum when they slander me. I use my computer in a manner that is glorifying to God and in this I must deny myself.

You're using it to antagonize people, to willfully bother and upset them. You can't deny this.
I've repeated this because you ignored it the last time I posted it.
I suppose you'll claim this was not your intention. If this is truly the case then why do you continue to do so when it clearly is not welcomed nor helpful in any way?
Do you just enjoy being a dick?
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10-06-2014, 09:43 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:41 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 09:30 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I do not believe in being an ascetic for the sake of being an ascetic. There are ascetics that are ascetics for selfish reasons which would be self defeating. If God called me to give up the life and family and things He has given me, I would seek to do that by His help. But God has not called me to be an ascetic. Rather, He has called me to glorify Him right where I am and use the things He has given me in a manner that bring glory to Him and edify those around me.

In order to do this, I have to deny myself. Simply meaning that I deny myself when I have the lustful desire to look at porn on my computer or to return cursing for cursing and evil for evil to people here on this forum when they slander me. I use my computer in a manner that is glorifying to God and in this I must deny myself.
You are on here asking people why they don't live a life of self-denial, but you yourself don't do so. Then when asked about it, all you provided was this description of the excuses that you use for your failure to do so. Drinking Beverage

You do not determine whether or not I live a life of self denial. That is God's job.
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10-06-2014, 09:44 AM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2014 09:53 AM by kim.)
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 08:00 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  Here is the code I live by Jeremy: I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for mine.
(10-06-2014 08:52 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I think this is the most shallow way to live.
Incidentally, I have lived the way you describe. I did for most of my life.
I was selfish and self-centered and cared only about "doing me" and "getting mine".
So when I say that I think this is the most shallow way to live I speak as one who has been privy to its ramifications.

Maybe you were just young and missed social queues. Young people often don't translate formative knowledge into social queues very well, until quite a while after puberty. Many young people can become quite dickish especially in their twenties... that time is necessary to iron out how one wishes to conduct one's self while also learning to participate socially. Those seem like they might go together but are in fact, very different things. The self and the social self need to get secure respectively so they can mesh up... it's pretty precarious and can take a while.

(10-06-2014 08:52 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  You see the thing is, you see no problem in living to pursue happiness. The problem is, is that if everyone lived this way, life would be unlivable. For at the end of the day you do care if people treat you with respect. You do care if people care about you and the things you think are important. But if you extend the right to everyone else that you reserve for yourself, i.e to do whatever makes them happy, you do away with law itself. You are left with lawlessness and anarchy.
You mean like, do unto others as you would have them do unto you... you mean like that? Because, uh... that. Drinking Beverage

(10-06-2014 08:52 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I was raised to put others needs before my own. I was taught that selfishness is a vice not a virtue. You would have me believe the exact opposite.
But I thought you said, "...I did for most of my life. I was selfish and self-centered and cared only about "doing me" and "getting mine"...".

No biggie - you may need to start over - like many of the people here on this forum have. You probably just thought there was something wrong with you... and shit wasn't going right socially, when it was actually just you not giving yourself time to figure out how to conduct yourself while you were also learning to participate socially. Sounds like you just needed to get your shit together - it happens.

Too bad you grabbed at the first thing that came along that confirmed that the problem was you(sinner) and that something outside of you(religion) was the thing that would make everything all better.

Many people here took that same route... you aren't alone. People here may seem hard on you ... but that's because they know exactly who you are... you are their former selves. Well, something very akin to their former selves.

Yes, it is extremely difficult to know one has been exploited. It is in fact, heartbreaking and can cause quite a bit of anger and resentment. Now you know why the angry atheist.
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But don't worry; you'll be ok.
Now, stop pissing and moaning and start thinking for yourself. Drinking Beverage

A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move to higher levels. ~ Albert Einstein
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10-06-2014, 09:45 AM
RE: [split] I need to rant to other atheists.
(10-06-2014 09:42 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 09:30 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I do not believe in being an ascetic for the sake of being an ascetic. There are ascetics that are ascetics for selfish reasons which would be self defeating. If God called me to give up the life and family and things He has given me, I would seek to do that by His help. But God has not called me to be an ascetic. Rather, He has called me to glorify Him right where I am and use the things He has given me in a manner that bring glory to Him and edify those around me.

In order to do this, I have to deny myself. Simply meaning that I deny myself when I have the lustful desire to look at porn on my computer or to return cursing for cursing and evil for evil to people here on this forum when they slander me. I use my computer in a manner that is glorifying to God and in this I must deny myself.

You're using it to antagonize people, to willfully bother and upset them. You can't deny this.
I've repeated this because you ignored it the last time I posted it.
I suppose you'll claim this was not your intention. If this is truly the case then why do you continue to do so when it clearly is not welcomed nor helpful in any way?
Do you just enjoy being a dick?

I post on this forum because I enjoy talking with people who have different views than I do. If you are offended then just ignore me. As it stands, I will continue to post here as I see fit.
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