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28-11-2014, 04:55 AM
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
(25-11-2014 02:10 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Man being his own authority

What is so wrong about this? I am the owner of my own life. Nobody else. Sure, typically you have your parents when you're a child and then the law when you grow up, but apart from those, you are the master of your life. You have the wheel.

(25-11-2014 02:10 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Further, I know because I used to be a professed Atheist of 10 adult years living out the life of moral relativism --- the main tenet of social Humanism.

Unless I misunderstood what you mean here, humanism is not a religion, actually it's quite the opposite of it.

(25-11-2014 02:10 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Additionally, unbiased scientific studies polling Atheists themselves as well as the general populace , have conclusively shown that Atheists are lower in morality and in fact the least trusted in society.

Atheists seemed to be ranked very low in US-related polls, but I think that was due to the fact that there is a lot of prejudice around atheists. Many people genuinely do not understand what it entails to be one, what it's about, and so on.

(25-11-2014 02:10 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Now please....I am only the Messenger on these sorts of things and the evidence is available to all who wish to go looking for it.

There's no evidence for God. If there was, we wouldn't be talking about "belief" and "faith". I don't believe there is a couch I'm sitting on. There is a couch, I accept its existence. I can touch it, I can sit on it, I can see it, I can test its existence with repeatable and verifiable experiments.

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28-11-2014, 09:02 PM
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
Wow. Shitstain is busy threadshitting in a sticked thread to try and shoehorn his proselytizing into it. Wonders never cease.
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28-11-2014, 09:51 PM
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
So basically the OP admits he grew up as a self serving, arrogant, ignorant, selfish user of women and just conveniently happened to join the religion that absolves him of his personal responsibility for his action in the easiest way possible with the least amount of work or personal improvement?

Wow. Who would have seen that coming. Rolleyes

I'm sorry you were a shitty human being Dave but that is your fault not "Atheism". You know how I know that? 'Cause even after your "conversion" you are still an asshole.
How about taking some person responsibility instead of scapegoating? Oh wait that's Christianity in a nutshell. Nevermind.

Oh and when you die you will rot like everyone else. You are not special. No one is waiting for you after you die. You will be completely forgotten in less then 4 generations.

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28-11-2014, 10:30 PM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2014 10:58 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
(24-11-2014 09:34 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 08:35 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  It's been suggested that we have a stickied thread for everyone to post their de-conversion stories in and I think it's a fantastic idea, so here it is.

My own de-conversion was rather boring. I gradually realised it was all bullshit, didn't have a big coming out moment but my family became aware, some of them were disappointed while others weren't bothered, there's the odd argument about religion in my house but nothing major.

I know others here have far more interesting stories though so please, begin sharing.

Thanks for starting a thread on this, for, my journey has indeed been remarkable . Heres my de-conversion story from Atheist to Theist to Christian :

What i found appealing about atheism , at the time :

1. Nearly all my friends were atheists so i had much commaraderie .
2. If there were no binding absolute moral laws to live by, then it
offered great freedom of lifestyle choices (which i capitalized on) .
3. No one was in ultimate authority over me.
4. I wasnt owned by anyone higher than self which led to great
autonomy.
5. I was at the center of the Universe, figuratively speaking , calling my own shots in life .
6. All my Teachers in school (whom i greatly respected and
enjoyed) taught atheistic ideologies / worldview .
7. As Evolutionist Julian Huxley said :' Having no personal Creator
(viz.God) , coincided with my sexual mores' (and Genital satisfaction via using Women was my favorite American pastime) .

What I found convincing about atheism , at the time :

1. I looked upon my Teachers and School Text Books as virtually
infallable and thus a very reliable truth source , so i accepted all
they taught without question .
2. Atheisms idelogies and constructs... from a worldview and from
sociology.... best fit in with my daily lifestyle choices and
philosophies for having fun.

What made me change my views about atheism :

1. Some atheistic ideologies were impossible to live out , truthfully
and without being hypocritical (ie: wanting moral relativism to live by yet demanding absolute moral laws be shown me from others) .
2. I became aware that the atheistic ideologies as represented by our
American Culture , were destructive and dangerous to people....and
this concerned me as i was getting deeper into them.
3. I found it took an incredible amount of faith to believe in
atheistic origins of the universe and first life on earth (which even Evolutionists validated) .
4. I found that an atheistic material universe (materialism) is not
capable of things like reason, logic, truth, love, freewill ,abstract thoughts .
5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.
6. I discovered in myself that I wanted to follow the truth
regardless of where it led, instead of patronizing myself into
following something I had no more confidence in ; I was even willing to forfeit my will, pride,ego, and arrogance making ME my own 'god' for the sake of the real truth.
7. I heavily investigated Theism from a scientific standpoint
including the remarkable design and engineering of things ...and
concluded that it is absurd to think it all just happened by chance
without a shred of purpose or reason.
8. I heavily investigated Christianity as well as all other major
world religions, and discovered the New Testament of the Bible to
offer more accurate historical evidences for Christ , his
ressurection, and what he claimed about himself....that it was very
compelling. I read about THE worlds most famous expert on Court of
Law evidential techniques who put the New Testament to a very
stringent test, who traded in his agnosticism to become a Christ
Follower based purely on the scientific and historical
evidences ...and I found this very compelling.
9. I discovered that modern scientific discoveries are proving the
Bible correct and are leading to a personal theistic Creator which the
Bible describes in great detail and is making an atheistic worldview an utter man-made fallacy ; a charade I just couldn't play any longer .

Thanks for reading. Dave.

5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.


Really ? Earlier today you said it was 100. Yet you have never once said what they were. List them you idiot troll. AT this rate, by tomorrow noon, it's gonna be 300.
The fact ism you don't even what what the real person who wrote that was even referring to.

The earth is a nice place for life ? Really ? Ask the parents of all the Japanese babies who died in the tsunami two years ago, or the parents of starving children, you fucktard.


So when you respond to this, you can just put in the first 50 "knife edge" constants you think prove god was a designer, AND discuss how exactly they are dependent on all the others :
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If you don't post them we'll all know your are a fucking liar.

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28-11-2014, 10:33 PM
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
(24-11-2014 09:34 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 08:35 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  It's been suggested that we have a stickied thread for everyone to post their de-conversion stories in and I think it's a fantastic idea, so here it is.

My own de-conversion was rather boring. I gradually realised it was all bullshit, didn't have a big coming out moment but my family became aware, some of them were disappointed while others weren't bothered, there's the odd argument about religion in my house but nothing major.

I know others here have far more interesting stories though so please, begin sharing.

Thanks for starting a thread on this, for, my journey has indeed been remarkable . Heres my de-conversion story from Atheist to Theist to Christian :

What i found appealing about atheism , at the time :

1. Nearly all my friends were atheists so i had much commaraderie .
2. If there were no binding absolute moral laws to live by, then it
offered great freedom of lifestyle choices (which i capitalized on) .
3. No one was in ultimate authority over me.
4. I wasnt owned by anyone higher than self which led to great
autonomy.
5. I was at the center of the Universe, figuratively speaking , calling my own shots in life .
6. All my Teachers in school (whom i greatly respected and
enjoyed) taught atheistic ideologies / worldview .
7. As Evolutionist Julian Huxley said :' Having no personal Creator
(viz.God) , coincided with my sexual mores' (and Genital satisfaction via using Women was my favorite American pastime) .

What I found convincing about atheism , at the time :

1. I looked upon my Teachers and School Text Books as virtually
infallable and thus a very reliable truth source , so i accepted all
they taught without question .
2. Atheisms idelogies and constructs... from a worldview and from
sociology.... best fit in with my daily lifestyle choices and
philosophies for having fun.

What made me change my views about atheism :

1. Some atheistic ideologies were impossible to live out , truthfully
and without being hypocritical (ie: wanting moral relativism to live by yet demanding absolute moral laws be shown me from others) .
2. I became aware that the atheistic ideologies as represented by our
American Culture , were destructive and dangerous to people....and
this concerned me as i was getting deeper into them.
3. I found it took an incredible amount of faith to believe in
atheistic origins of the universe and first life on earth (which even Evolutionists validated) .
4. I found that an atheistic material universe (materialism) is not
capable of things like reason, logic, truth, love, freewill ,abstract thoughts .
5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.
6. I discovered in myself that I wanted to follow the truth
regardless of where it led, instead of patronizing myself into
following something I had no more confidence in ; I was even willing to forfeit my will, pride,ego, and arrogance making ME my own 'god' for the sake of the real truth.
7. I heavily investigated Theism from a scientific standpoint
including the remarkable design and engineering of things ...and
concluded that it is absurd to think it all just happened by chance
without a shred of purpose or reason.
8. I heavily investigated Christianity as well as all other major
world religions, and discovered the New Testament of the Bible to
offer more accurate historical evidences for Christ , his
ressurection, and what he claimed about himself....that it was very
compelling. I read about THE worlds most famous expert on Court of
Law evidential techniques who put the New Testament to a very
stringent test, who traded in his agnosticism to become a Christ
Follower based purely on the scientific and historical
evidences ...and I found this very compelling.
9. I discovered that modern scientific discoveries are proving the
Bible correct and are leading to a personal theistic Creator which the
Bible describes in great detail and is making an atheistic worldview an utter man-made fallacy ; a charade I just couldn't play any longer .

Thanks for reading. Dave.

You sound like a real winner there Dave. You had really bad reasons for being atheist and now you have really bad reasons for being a Christian. By the way, when a word is underlined with red, that means it is most likely misspelled. It is really hard to take you seriously when Your post is sow feul of misplelled werds.

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28-11-2014, 10:37 PM
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(28-11-2014 10:30 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(24-11-2014 09:34 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Thanks for starting a thread on this, for, my journey has indeed been remarkable . Heres my de-conversion story from Atheist to Theist to Christian :

What i found appealing about atheism , at the time :

1. Nearly all my friends were atheists so i had much commaraderie .
2. If there were no binding absolute moral laws to live by, then it
offered great freedom of lifestyle choices (which i capitalized on) .
3. No one was in ultimate authority over me.
4. I wasnt owned by anyone higher than self which led to great
autonomy.
5. I was at the center of the Universe, figuratively speaking , calling my own shots in life .
6. All my Teachers in school (whom i greatly respected and
enjoyed) taught atheistic ideologies / worldview .
7. As Evolutionist Julian Huxley said :' Having no personal Creator
(viz.God) , coincided with my sexual mores' (and Genital satisfaction via using Women was my favorite American pastime) .

What I found convincing about atheism , at the time :

1. I looked upon my Teachers and School Text Books as virtually
infallable and thus a very reliable truth source , so i accepted all
they taught without question .
2. Atheisms idelogies and constructs... from a worldview and from
sociology.... best fit in with my daily lifestyle choices and
philosophies for having fun.

What made me change my views about atheism :

1. Some atheistic ideologies were impossible to live out , truthfully
and without being hypocritical (ie: wanting moral relativism to live by yet demanding absolute moral laws be shown me from others) .
2. I became aware that the atheistic ideologies as represented by our
American Culture , were destructive and dangerous to people....and
this concerned me as i was getting deeper into them.
3. I found it took an incredible amount of faith to believe in
atheistic origins of the universe and first life on earth (which even Evolutionists validated) .
4. I found that an atheistic material universe (materialism) is not
capable of things like reason, logic, truth, love, freewill ,abstract thoughts .
5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.
6. I discovered in myself that I wanted to follow the truth
regardless of where it led, instead of patronizing myself into
following something I had no more confidence in ; I was even willing to forfeit my will, pride,ego, and arrogance making ME my own 'god' for the sake of the real truth.
7. I heavily investigated Theism from a scientific standpoint
including the remarkable design and engineering of things ...and
concluded that it is absurd to think it all just happened by chance
without a shred of purpose or reason.
8. I heavily investigated Christianity as well as all other major
world religions, and discovered the New Testament of the Bible to
offer more accurate historical evidences for Christ , his
ressurection, and what he claimed about himself....that it was very
compelling. I read about THE worlds most famous expert on Court of
Law evidential techniques who put the New Testament to a very
stringent test, who traded in his agnosticism to become a Christ
Follower based purely on the scientific and historical
evidences ...and I found this very compelling.
9. I discovered that modern scientific discoveries are proving the
Bible correct and are leading to a personal theistic Creator which the
Bible describes in great detail and is making an atheistic worldview an utter man-made fallacy ; a charade I just couldn't play any longer .

Thanks for reading. Dave.

5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.


Really ? Earlier today you said it was 100. Yet you have never once said what they were. List them you idiot troll. AT this rate, by tomorrow noon, it's gonna be 300.
The fact ism you don't even what what the real person who wrote that was even referring to.

The early is a nice place for life ? Really ? Ask the parents of all the Japanese babies who died in the tsunami two years ago, or the parents of starving children, you fucktard.

I don't for a moment believe you wrote that. You copy-pasted it from somewhere, you fucking liar. I shall make it my mission to figure out where you copied it from. All your posts contain multiple spelling and grammar errors. YOU could not have written that. Clearly it's plagiarized from somewhere.

gwg posted this on bumbling idiot’s other spam thread:

(28-11-2014 08:40 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I think perhaps our little friend has been surfing this page...I could be wrong, same mumbo jumbo Rolleyes

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/te-cr.htm

oh the twisty turns they must go through to try to come to terms with their faith in the face of superior contrary evidence Laugh out load

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28-11-2014, 11:08 PM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2014 11:02 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
(24-11-2014 09:34 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  Thanks for starting a thread on this, for, my journey has indeed been remarkable . Heres* my de-conversion story from Atheist to Theist to Christian :

What i found appealing about atheism , at the time :

1. Nearly all my friends were atheists so i had much commaraderie* .
2. If there were no binding absolute moral laws to live by, then it
offered great freedom of lifestyle choices (which i capitalized on) .
3. No one was in ultimate authority over me.
4. I wasnt* owned by anyone higher than self which led to great
autonomy.
5. I was at the center of the Universe, figuratively speaking , calling my own shots in life .
6. All my Teachers in school (whom i greatly respected and
enjoyed) taught atheistic ideologies / worldview .
7. As Evolutionist Julian Huxley said :' Having no personal Creator
(viz.God) , coincided with my sexual mores' (and Genital satisfaction via using Women was my favorite American pastime) .

What I found convincing about atheism , at the time :

1. I looked upon my Teachers and School Text Books as virtually
infallable* and thus a very reliable truth source , so i accepted all
they taught without question .
2. Atheisms* idelogies* and constructs... from a worldview and from
sociology.... best fit in with my daily lifestyle choices and
philosophies for having fun.

What made me change my views about atheism :

1. Some atheistic ideologies were impossible to live out , truthfully
and without being hypocritical (ie: wanting moral relativism to live by yet demanding absolute moral laws be shown me from others) .
2. I became aware that the atheistic ideologies as represented by our
American Culture , were destructive and dangerous to people....and
this concerned me as i was getting deeper into them.
3. I found it took an incredible amount of faith to believe in
atheistic origins of the universe and first life on earth (which even Evolutionists validated) .
4. I found that an atheistic material universe (materialism) is not
capable of things like reason, logic, truth, love, freewill ,abstract thoughts .
5. I found there are no logical atheistic explanations for the 150+
razor precise Life Enabling Constants and Physics Constants
(anthropics) which have been scientifically discovered and are
measurable to (in some cases) a 120th decimal point critical tolerance
otherwise our Cosmos is not here and niether are we. I could accept a
few by coincidental chance, but not over 150 which are all dependent
on each other and all which must work in unison to accomplish the goal of Earth being here so we can have an incredibly suitable home.
6. I discovered in myself that I wanted to follow the truth
regardless of where it led, instead of patronizing myself into
following something I had no more confidence in ; I was even willing to forfeit my will, pride,ego, and arrogance making ME my own 'god' for the sake of the real truth.
7. I heavily investigated Theism from a scientific standpoint
including the remarkable design and engineering of things ...and
concluded that it is absurd to think it all just happened by chance
without a shred of purpose or reason.
8. I heavily investigated Christianity as well as all other major
world religions, and discovered the New Testament of the Bible to
offer more accurate historical evidences for Christ , his
ressurection*, and what he claimed about himself....that it was very
compelling. I read about THE worlds most famous expert on Court of
Law evidential techniques who put the New Testament to a very
stringent test, who traded in his agnosticism to become a Christ
Follower based purely on the scientific and historical
evidences ...and I found this very compelling.
9. I discovered that modern scientific discoveries are proving the
Bible correct and are leading to a personal theistic Creator which the
Bible describes in great detail and is making an atheistic worldview an utter man-made fallacy ; a charade I just couldn't play any longer .

Thanks for reading. Dave.

* here's
* realized
* camaraderie
* wasn't
* infallible
* Atheism's
* ideology
* resurrection


The definition of "anthropic" is :
an·throp·ic
adjective \an-ˈthrä-pik\
Definition of ANTHROPIC
: of or relating to human beings or the period of their existence on earth

Edit : There is no such word as "anthropics". "Anthropic" refers to HUMANS not Physical constants. (Thanks for demonstrating yet again you didn't even go to High School and offer nothing for educated adults.) The Anthropic Principle is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle here. It also does not necessarily relate to physical constants.

Conclusion : You are a fucking lying ignorant troll who hasn't the slightest idea what the hell you're even talking about. (Really ? You can't even spell "resurrection" ?)
You can't and won't list and discuss even 10 of your 100, (or is it 150 now) knife-edge thingies. You're just a blow-hard in love with thinking you're smart enough to even talk about this stuff.

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29-11-2014, 08:19 AM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2014 01:34 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: [split] Share your de-conversion story
I'm sad, i was hoping we finally had a theist who could articulate, validate and substantiate his faith.....not god or jesus, just his faith....but once again I am let down. Which is why I haven't even bothered to weigh in with any effort yet, as he hasn't managed to posit/assert one original thought....

sigh

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29-11-2014, 08:43 AM
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(29-11-2014 08:19 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I'm sad, i was hoping we finally has a theist who could articulate, validate and substantiate his faith.....not god or jesus, just his faith....but once again I am let down. Which is why I haven't even bothered to weigh in with any effort yet, as he hasn't managed to posit/assert one original thought....

sigh

next

Apparently you have to take the test and promise to listen in secret. Drinking Beverage

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29-11-2014, 08:47 AM
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(29-11-2014 08:43 AM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  
(29-11-2014 08:19 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I'm sad, i was hoping we finally has a theist who could articulate, validate and substantiate his faith.....not god or jesus, just his faith....but once again I am let down. Which is why I haven't even bothered to weigh in with any effort yet, as he hasn't managed to posit/assert one original thought....

sigh

next

Apparently you have to take the test and promise to listen in secret. Drinking Beverage

ooooooh sounds scarey, like when the priest takes the little boy into the confession booth and says, "close your eyes child, open your mouth and the power of jesus will enter you"... Unsure

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