[split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
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16-07-2013, 01:04 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
The fact that I am an atheist doesn't mean (for some reason) that I support every idiotic idea anyone ever had. And the idea that "my body is a girl, but I am a boy" is idiotic! I can feel for you and don't need to know what you choose to do with your thing! But you only need to look between your legs to know what sex you are! I'll bet dollars to peanuts, that their are people out there who have attempted to change their gender and regret it! You are trying to be your own god! If you are a guy, you CAN"T be a girl. If you are a girl you CAN'T be a guy! Why? because you were born as what you are!
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16-07-2013, 01:11 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
(16-07-2013 01:04 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  Why? because you were born as what you are!

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16-07-2013, 01:12 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
"If you feel trapped in the wrong body, all you need is sex change surgery and your problems will go away and your dreams will come true, right?

No. The fact is: surgery will not fix the underlying delusional psychological problems that caused the request for surgery
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Taken from http://www.sexchangeregret.com/research

'delusional psychological problems '
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16-07-2013, 01:14 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
Another donkey heard from.
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16-07-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
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"Another donkey heard from."

Another donkey? So you think you are talking to a fool? Then explain to me how I am born a man, but maybe I am a girl? You got the reps! I'm a mere newbie! You are good at insulting quips. Just give me a "maybe"! Explain to me how "maybe" I'm not a boy! Cuz I think that "maybe" you just like to have fun with people and "maybe" aren't as bright as you think you are.
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16-07-2013, 01:29 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
(16-07-2013 01:04 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  The fact that I am an atheist doesn't mean (for some reason) that I support every idiotic idea anyone ever had. And the idea that "my body is a girl, but I am a boy" is idiotic! I can feel for you and don't need to know what you choose to do with your thing! But you only need to look between your legs to know what sex you are! I'll bet dollars to peanuts, that their are people out there who have attempted to change their gender and regret it! You are trying to be your own god! If you are a guy, you CAN"T be a girl. If you are a girl you CAN'T be a guy! Why? because you were born as what you are!

Define guy.

Define girl.

(hint: there is more involved than external genitalia)

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16-07-2013, 01:32 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
(16-07-2013 12:27 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  O'K. Sorry, but I have to fall into the caveman category here. If you are a guy, you are a guy. You may wish you weren't, but you are! You can NEVER be a girl! Same for you girls who want to be guys. You can mutilate yourself. Now you're a guy with no weenie! You'll never have your first period. You'll never have a child. Because you are a guy! Find a way to accept it! Don't mutilate yourself! You may damn well regret it! Buy the way: It's O.K. to be a guy! Hell! It's even O.K. to be a girl!

Sorry, but "transgendered" people are people with psychological issues that they need to address, before they mutilate themselves.

There's the problem, you describe gender as a consequence of sex, but that's not real, it's backwards actually. Women has nothing to do with genitals, the same thing for man or any other gender category. How do you fit into those two sides women without obvaries? or men without testes? or men with XY chromosomes but no weenie? Or women with XY chromosomes and no period? or any other combination? If those categories don't work for intersex people, then there's a problem with the categories, because we can't force genetics and facts into man made, arbitrary concepts, we work from the facts and build up the categories.

So if sex is such a loose fact in the myriad of possibilities, we must allow ourselves the freedom to chose the gender we like. Because gender is nothing but gender expression, there's nothing about a vagina or a penis that says that someone should be girly or manly.

We get so attached to the boxes in which we classify people, that when some people don't fit in them we judge and get angry at the people, instead of just changing the boxes...

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16-07-2013, 01:33 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
I'm not intimidated by your stars. Ripping off your dick, or stitching something onto your pussy could be a big mistake! Right? You got stars. . . But are you stupid????
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16-07-2013, 01:39 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
(16-07-2013 01:33 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  I'm not intimidated by your stars. Ripping off your dick, or stitching something onto your pussy could be a big mistake! Right? You got stars. . . But are you stupid????

Define guy.

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16-07-2013, 01:58 PM
RE: [split] Thoughts on the subject of transgender by Caveman
(16-07-2013 01:04 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  The fact that I am an atheist doesn't mean (for some reason) that I support every idiotic idea anyone ever had. And the idea that "my body is a girl, but I am a boy" is idiotic! I can feel for you and don't need to know what you choose to do with your thing! But you only need to look between your legs to know what sex you are! I'll bet dollars to peanuts, that their are people out there who have attempted to change their gender and regret it! You are trying to be your own god! If you are a guy, you CAN"T be a girl. If you are a girl you CAN'T be a guy! Why? because you were born as what you are!


OK. I'm going to post this again. Do yourself a favor and READ it.


[/quote] [quote]Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus
Frank P. M. Kruijver, Jiang-Ning Zhou, Chris W. Pool, Michel A. Hofman, Louis J. G. Gooren and Dick F. Swaab
- Author Affiliations

Graduate School Neurosciences Amsterdam (F.P.M.K., J.-N.Z., C.W.P., M.A.H., D.F.S.), Netherlands Institute for Brain Research, 1105 AZ Amsterdam ZO, The Netherlands; Department of Endocrinology (L.J.G.G.), Free University Hospital, 1007 MB Amsterdam, The Netherlands; and Anhui Geriatric Institute (J.-N.Z.), The First Affiliated Hospital of Anhui Medical University, Hefei, Anhui, 230032 China
Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Frank P. M. Kruijver, M.D., or Prof. Dick F. Swaab, M.D., Ph.D., Graduate School Neurosciences Amsterdam, Netherlands Institute for Brain Research, Meibergdreef 33, 1105 AZ Amsterdam ZO, The Netherlands. E-mail: F.Kruijver@nih.knaw.nl.

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Abstract

Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

I'll repeat the last line. "Sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that the transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder".

For christ sakes read the damn thing.

" A neurobiological basis".

My daughter is transgender and has no regrets. None whatsoever! And as I mentioned in a previous post psychologists have removed transgender from the list of psychological disorders.

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