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09-05-2014, 02:37 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 01:38 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  So when the people of a particular society agree on something (cultural relativism), oh...lets say...that the beheading of atheists is something that is going to help preserve their society from the evils of atheism and that therefore this is good for them to do, this mutual agreement obligates them to behead atheists?

I have made it quite clear that this line of discussion is off-topic on this thread. You have brought this up on other threads and it has been discussed there ad nauseam. You are derailing this thread and it is not appreciated. Please stop.

Answer the question.
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09-05-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:37 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  I have made it quite clear that this line of discussion is off-topic on this thread. You have brought this up on other threads and it has been discussed there ad nauseam. You are derailing this thread and it is not appreciated. Please stop.

Answer the question.

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09-05-2014, 02:41 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:38 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 02:37 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Answer the question.

You do not get the privilege of giving me orders, bitch.

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09-05-2014, 02:41 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 01:54 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 01:39 PM)Chas Wrote:  Where do they come from? You have not made that at all explicit.

When you renounce your moral relativism and admit you believe there are moral values and duties that exist objectively, then I will answer your question.

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09-05-2014, 02:42 PM
[split] Atheist because...
(09-05-2014 01:51 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 12:25 PM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  The fact that we want to survive. You give me food I will give you food, that's how humans work. You need to read a fucking book kid.Drinking Beverage

You are saying that a person's desires are their grounds for what they determine is moral or not.

If a person desires to cut atheist's heads off and lives in a society where this is practiced to ensure that the evil of atheism does not infiltrate their society, then for this person and these people, they are acting morally. They are doing something good.

This is cultural relativism.

Another culture may think that loving atheists and treating them kindly is more in line with their particular desires and ends as a society.

If cultural relativism is indeed true, then both societies are acting morally while holding contradictory views.

This means that the members of the latter society can never try to impose their views on the former, stop the acts of the former, try to convince the former society to change, etc. etc.

Now if you do not see a problem with this then that is fine. Just let it be known to you that you can never try to impose your views on Christians, stop the acts of Christians, try to convince them to change etc. etc.

You have to recognize that the beliefs of Christians are moral for them because they decide that they are moral. You may disagree no doubt, but it amounts to nothing more than a disagreement based on personal taste or opinion.

The minute you say Christians are guilty of doing something objectively wrong i.e. wrong even if they believe it is right, you are renouncing your moral relativism.

Incidentally, this is something I see here in just about every other post and coming from people who CLAIM to be moral relativists.

That is my point and I will keep making it as long as you all act like you are not clear on this.

Looking back on history, wouldn't you say that's how mankind has acted throughout ? There are cultures that think it's ok to to stone to death a man's daughter for being raped..the first stone being thrown by the father..Repugnant? Morally acceptable to them.

Some cultures believe(ed?) in cannibilism, mutually agreed upon by the members of that culture. Even the Pope accepted as moral the killing of thousands of gnostics , and a different Pope turned an accepting head to millions of Jews being slaughtered. So where are your "objective morals" that you claim.

Most atheists don't pass judgement on christians for believing, or practicing their belief. They don't like it when christians tell them what to think or do. Or when they use influence to taking away other people's rights by helping to write laws according to their convictions.

Maybe cultural relativism is bad, I don't know. But it has been present in all societies throughout the history of mankind. Just read the bible for proof. Seems to me that proves it is cultural morality that man lives by, and not something eternal, handed down by god. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong, I am just a welder.
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09-05-2014, 02:42 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:37 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 02:27 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  I have made it quite clear that this line of discussion is off-topic on this thread. You have brought this up on other threads and it has been discussed there ad nauseam. You are derailing this thread and it is not appreciated. Please stop.

Answer the question.

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09-05-2014, 02:42 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 01:54 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  When you renounce your moral relativism and admit you believe there are moral values and duties that exist objectively, then I will answer your question.

And there it is.... so used to manipulation and emotional blackmail .... probably the only way he is able to relate to other people.

Classic psychopathy.
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09-05-2014, 02:43 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:42 PM)kim Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 01:54 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  When you renounce your moral relativism and admit you believe there are moral values and duties that exist objectively, then I will answer your question.

And there it is.... so used to manipulation and emotional blackmail .... probably the only way he is able to relate to other people.

Classic psychopathy.
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And where the fuck is the ban hammer? Angry

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09-05-2014, 02:45 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 02:42 PM)kim Wrote:  And there it is.... so used to manipulation and emotional blackmail .... probably the only way he is able to relate to other people.

Classic psychopathy.
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And where the fuck is the ban hammer? Angry

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09-05-2014, 02:52 PM
RE: Jeremy Doesn't understand what Objective means
(09-05-2014 02:45 PM)kim Wrote:  
(09-05-2014 02:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  And where the fuck is the ban hammer? Angry

Don't ask me... I've been retired. Wink

Seems you took the ban hammer with you. Dodgy

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