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29-04-2013, 05:09 PM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2013 05:37 PM by childeye.)
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29-04-2013, 05:10 PM
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Another bump perhaps?
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29-04-2013, 05:14 PM
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(29-04-2013 04:58 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(29-04-2013 04:49 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  That's not what the bible said. The bible says quite clearly he had a trial and was sentenced to death by the roman state.
Yes but scripture also says this: 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Now the destruction of the devil:

Hebrews 2:
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
1 John 3: 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Note here we see that the devil has the power of death which I take to mean the keys to hell and death which Jesus took from satan after he had been in hell for three days and three nights. Revelations 1:18 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Collossians 2:

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
The law being nailed to the cross and spoiling principalities and powers.

Galatians 3: 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Mark 12:
12 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'

8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.


Revelation 12:
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Luke 22:
2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.

3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.


Revelation 12:
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This phenomenon is known as splitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29

and it's a psychological disorder.

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29-04-2013, 05:14 PM
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(15-04-2013 02:02 PM)childeye Wrote:  The Jews who put Jesus to death could not know what they were about to do, otherwise they would not have done it.

You were saying?

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29-04-2013, 05:20 PM
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(29-04-2013 05:14 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-04-2013 04:58 PM)childeye Wrote:  Yes but scripture also says this: 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Now the destruction of the devil:

Hebrews 2:
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
1 John 3: 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Note here we see that the devil has the power of death which I take to mean the keys to hell and death which Jesus took from satan after he had been in hell for three days and three nights. Revelations 1:18 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Collossians 2:

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
The law being nailed to the cross and spoiling principalities and powers.

Galatians 3: 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Mark 12:
12 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'

8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.


Revelation 12:
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Luke 22:
2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.

3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.


Revelation 12:
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This phenomenon is known as splitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29

and it's a psychological disorder.
You are refering to Satan I presume?
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29-04-2013, 05:22 PM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2013 05:27 PM by childeye.)
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(29-04-2013 05:14 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(15-04-2013 02:02 PM)childeye Wrote:  The Jews who put Jesus to death could not know what they were about to do, otherwise they would not have done it.

You were saying?
Yeah I was saying it. Jesus said it, Paul said it. Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
1 Corinthians 2:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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29-04-2013, 05:34 PM
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(29-04-2013 05:22 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(29-04-2013 05:14 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  You were saying?
Yeah I was saying it. Jesus said it, Paul said it. Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
1 Corinthians 2:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

And again I must point out that the crime for which he was executed was sedition against Rome and breaking the Pax Romana. Thus why he was crucified a method reserved for people in revolt against Rome. Satan didn't kill him The Jews didn't kill him He effectively committed Suicide by cop circca 35 ce. Rome did not fuck around with anyone trying to start revolts they executed them quickly with no trial in the most horrible and publicly shaming way possible Naked and Nailed to a cross. This was a warning you do not Fuck with Rome.

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29-04-2013, 05:45 PM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2013 06:01 PM by fstratzero.)
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(29-04-2013 05:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(29-04-2013 05:14 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  This phenomenon is known as splitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29

and it's a psychological disorder.
You are refering to Satan I presume?

Considering how important first hand accounts are to christians. How can you take the word of anything written by Paul over the accounts written by first hand witnesses.

At any rate you can pretend the devil does what ever you want to. How does this relate to your loving god notion?

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29-04-2013, 06:31 PM
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(29-04-2013 05:45 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-04-2013 05:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  You are refering to Satan I presume?

Considering how important first hand accounts are to christians. How can you take the word of anything written by Paul over the accounts written by first hand witnesses.

At any rate you can pretend the devil does what ever you want to. How does this relate to your loving god notion?
Just read the posts I recommended. They hold my views on the subject.
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29-04-2013, 06:32 PM
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Nice to see Ce found new people to play ring-around-the-rosie with.


God is a concept by which we measure our pain -- John Lennon

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