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30-04-2013, 12:31 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 12:28 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 12:20 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Just like your take on virgins having to lose their virginity in order to appreciate what being a virgin is.

Back up just a little here! He can't have made such an argument, right? Right?! Blink

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30-04-2013, 12:42 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 12:28 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 12:20 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Just like your take on virgins having to lose their virginity in order to appreciate what being a virgin is.

Back up just a little here! He can't have made such an argument, right? Right?! Blink

('Cause I tend to skip his crap, just as I rarely bother with that of the rest of the religionists who stumble in on a regular basis, spinning the same moth-eaten yarns).

Yeah I'd have to go back through alot of crap to find it, maybe he can remember. Had to do with the whole vanity thing seperating us from god. If I remember right, the argument he was making at the time seemed to reinforce the patriarchal attitude of the bible (you know, blaming women for the fall of man).

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30-04-2013, 12:45 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 12:20 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 12:12 PM)childeye Wrote:  I have to fix the brakes in my truck. I'll be back later. I would like to discuss the scenario where God was likened to a person handing a baby a piece of candy and then talking it away making the baby cry. Of course this appears to be cruel. So can any of you smart atheists think of a pure and loving intention as to why God would do this?

Not really, but I'll take a stab at what I think you might present.

See, god has to give the baby candy in order for the baby to know what being a baby with candy is like. Then he takes it away so that the baby will appreciate just how yummy delicious the candy was, and how sad he is now that it's gone. Just like your take on virgins having to lose their virginity in order to appreciate what being a virgin is. Even though I think that's a weak argument anyway. Then god can blame the candy theft on satan.

Hey, just like Job! Thumbsup


I think we bruised his ego when we weren't sure wither he was a man or a woman so now he has to be muy macho and fix a truck. Smile

I have another interesting thought experiment for you CE. After the events of 9/11 Marvel and DC both had a huge problem to deal with. New York City was a main feature in both universes (though DC usually used a surrogate name such as Gotham or Metropolis) and 9/11 was such a watershed moment that it had to be included. Thus both companies were in a huge bind. They had superhuman main characters that routinely saved the earth from any number of calamities yet had to be made impotent to prevent this real tragedy.

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The problem with this is of course Superman could have easily prevented the attack if it was just in his universe. In the Marvel Universe they have many characters that can literally see the future and thus they had to basically negate all of their characters for that day. So here is the experiment for you if Superman had to bend over backwards to explain his inability to prevent this tragedy how can a supposedly loving God allow such things to happen in a universe where he has total control?

Please step outside of your theist box and don't duck the question, don't blame it on satan or free will, how can an all powerful God that is Love allow this to happen?

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30-04-2013, 12:53 PM
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Sweet virginal (or not) mother of god (or rather, of someone's bastard child)!

Good thing is, I seem to have avoided the loss of way more brain cells than I had previously thought, by avoiding his drivel.

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Just to make sure, we are indeed, living in the 21st century, right? Has anyone bothered to tell childsbrain that?

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30-04-2013, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 30-04-2013 12:56 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 11:50 AM)childeye Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 11:40 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  I don't see how that absolves god of evil
Again I don't know what you mean by evil. In scripture when God does evil, it is usually defined as calamity. Have you ever read the story of Job?

Yes god loves to make bets with the devil. Which resulted in the needles suffering of Job. God could've simply given satan the knowledge that job would've been faithful with out the theatrics.

I'm sorry but your god is far from anything that resembles good, or loving.

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30-04-2013, 01:33 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 12:20 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 12:12 PM)childeye Wrote:  I have to fix the brakes in my truck. I'll be back later. I would like to discuss the scenario where God was likened to a person handing a baby a piece of candy and then talking it away making the baby cry. Of course this appears to be cruel. So can any of you smart atheists think of a pure and loving intention as to why God would do this?

Not really, but I'll take a stab at what I think you might present.

See, god has to give the baby candy in order for the baby to know what being a baby with candy is like. Then he takes it away so that the baby will appreciate just how yummy delicious the candy was, and how sad he is now that it's gone. Just like your take on virgins having to lose their virginity in order to appreciate what being a virgin is. Even though I think that's a weak argument anyway. Then god can blame the candy theft on satan.

Hey, just like Job! Thumbsup
Well at least you tried. No fair using the virgin example. I wanted you to form your ideas. However, be that as it may, you may think it is a weak argument. But it is simply a self evident fact that humans tend to not see what they have until it is gone. No God doesn't blame the devil for the candy theft. As in Job He takes full responsibility when he talks with Job. But the vanity that is shown in Satan is a key component.
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30-04-2013, 01:54 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 01:33 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 12:20 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Not really, but I'll take a stab at what I think you might present.

See, god has to give the baby candy in order for the baby to know what being a baby with candy is like. Then he takes it away so that the baby will appreciate just how yummy delicious the candy was, and how sad he is now that it's gone. Just like your take on virgins having to lose their virginity in order to appreciate what being a virgin is. Even though I think that's a weak argument anyway. Then god can blame the candy theft on satan.

Hey, just like Job! Thumbsup
Well at least you tried. No fair using the virgin example. I wanted you to form your ideas. However, be that as it may, you may think it is a weak argument. But it is simply a self evident fact that humans tend to not see what they have until it is gone. No God doesn't blame the devil for the candy theft. As in Job He takes full responsibility when he talks with Job. But the vanity that is shown in Satan is a key component.

Okay, so what's your take on god the bully?

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30-04-2013, 02:00 PM
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I lol'd. Big Grin

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30-04-2013, 02:08 PM
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(30-04-2013 11:47 AM)childeye Wrote:  For everyone's info, I am a male 55 years of age. The discussion here has been sidetracked several times as a course of keeping up with differing points of view from different people. Some here have been willing to think outside the atheist box and pretend for my sake that there is a God and He is Love. The discussion had progressed to some key points. One was an excellent scenario where God was likened to a person handing a baby a piece of candy and then talking it away making the baby cry. I wish we could pursue that line of reasoning since it ultimately leads to the central question. Should the God of scripture be trusted or is God untrustworthy. Are all things built on faith or doubt?

Why only two questions?

Because there are more options, one being that man created god in his own image and gave him supernatural properties.
Another line of thought might be god was created by men to explain things they didn't understsnd.

Neither have anything to do with trusting the scripture or finding god untrustworthy.

Faith or doubt? Why not fact or fiction?


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30-04-2013, 02:11 PM
RE: the God term
(30-04-2013 01:54 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 01:33 PM)childeye Wrote:  Well at least you tried. No fair using the virgin example. I wanted you to form your ideas. However, be that as it may, you may think it is a weak argument. But it is simply a self evident fact that humans tend to not see what they have until it is gone. No God doesn't blame the devil for the candy theft. As in Job He takes full responsibility when he talks with Job. But the vanity that is shown in Satan is a key component.

Okay, so what's your take on god the bully?

Even if you do believe the bible, god is still jealous, vengeful and neglectful. Not much love at all.


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