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19-04-2013, 01:17 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 01:07 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 12:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Oh. Ok. So first I don't know what "annointing" and what a "christ" is. Now I don't know what a moral absolute is.

All sorts of religious people torture people, and have tortured people. So much for that piece of crap. Christians have tortured people. If a bomber planted a nuclear bomb. And it was about to go off and kill millions and millions of people, and wouldn't say where it was. Would it be ok to torture him to force him to disclose the location to save millions of Christian lives ? By the way. you do know what annointing means, as in putting some ointment on a baby's diaper rash.

Right. No moral absolutes. You are delusional. You have the only truth. Just like all the other nut job theists. You have a very high opinion of yourself.
I thought so. You don't know what a moral absolute is either. That means you don't know what the word Holy means either. This much that you said is very true, religious people do many atrocious things. Please remember you said that, so that you recognize that religion should not be conflated with God lest you create in your mind an equivocation fallacy.

Ooooooh. He learned a big word, and now thinks it makes him look all smart to use it. You lose. That is not an example of that fallacy. You really need a Logic course.

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19-04-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: the God term
bump to see post on new page Dodgy

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19-04-2013, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 19-04-2013 01:30 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 12:01 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 03:13 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Thats going to be the the essence of his big revel (if he ever does it he may pull a sexualypleasingjeebustroll move and just drag this out forever) Notice he got very upset when people started bringing out actual facts about his happy little fairy tale.
I only wish I could see what facts you keep talking about that have punched any holes in my Love rules mentality. All you have done is make assertions that love is both chemical and electrical and memory and then say that empathy is simulated. Which of course can't all be true since they negate one another. You don't seem to see the disconnect.

As for what does is a Christ, you should at least take a guess of what it means and at least try and be serious about it. Also, I have another question for atheists who think they know what Christianity is all about. And this may give you a clue as to what a Christ is. So here's the question: According to the bible does a person become a believer by reading a book?

Nope. You don't get to just move on with more shit, until you answer the last pile of crap. What IS a "christ" according to you. Obviously you have a psychological problem, and feel the need to appear "superior*, Childish Church Lady.

You failed to explain how the example is not a disproval of a moral absolute, nor have you even tried to provide one. I gabve you an example of where torture may be ok, to stop the bomb. YOU also failed agin to address that. Do you enjoy making a complete fool of yourself ? No one here gives a shit about your "holy book". There is no such thing. Only "books". All books were written by humans. For human reasons.

As far as what makes one a "Christian", are you kidding me ? Your Jebus said "No one shall come to me unless the Father draw him", and "Many are called but few are chosen". So obviouly YOUR Jebus does the work here. What ? You don't read your scriptures ? How are you so ignorant of this ? Some Baptist you are. Not knowing your Babble.

YOu have about 10 pages of questions to address here. Get busy, bub, or is it "bubette" ?

Clearly you're an intelectual fly-weight, trying to masquerade as something more. \
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19-04-2013, 01:23 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 10:50 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 10:32 AM)childeye Wrote:  Well that does explain some things. I'd say there is some major big time inconsistency between Roman Catholic and Baptist teachings about the Christ.

This does not make sense to me. If I may point out, that above I said there are major inconsistencies between the Baptists and the Catholics. So it therefore would be impossible to believe both doctrines. Moreover, being Catholic or Baptist is not what Christianity is.


What praytell is the Light you say you saw?

Exactly what were you believing?

If you knew Christianity you would know there is no card that certifies someone as a child of God. Respectfully, you were an indoctrinated srevant of religion who simply believed what you were told what to believe.
Of course I realize that you thought you believed in Christ. I've met many people just like you and many still think they believe. But of course whatever you were believing in was not strong enough to keep you from now believing that love is just a chemical in the brain.

I noticed you have not answered what a Christ is. You don't know therefore you do not know what Christianity is. For how can you believe in that which you do not know what is?

How dare you! I've forgotten more about the new testament that you'll EVER know. And quite frankly the whole "you never really KNEW christ" is just a load of bunk. I was a real believer. Don't you dare tell me I wasn't. You sit there in your piously judging...Wrapped up so tightly in your "belief" that you can't see how rude you are.

I've read the entire bible more than once. Ya, I'll admit Romans was taxing for me. I had a hard time getting through that book. But I did.

I learned the history they wanted me to know and knew NONE of the real history they didn't want to me know about. When I asked questions I was told to take it on faith.

The great god of the gaps.

What really does annoy me so very much...is the is rigid sanctimoniousness that you preach here. You don't care about sharing the "good news" you want us to line up and testify to what YOU believe. If our story doesn't line up with your beliefs then you can dismiss us. And laugh piously that we just don't understand the truth.

I hope some day, you'll return here with a better understanding and apologize for your arrogance.

Because quite honestly, many of us, myself included were once just as arrogant.

Until then...

Well, you know...

Shoo fly because that's all you are. A fly sitting atop a pile of shit and calling it dinner.
Respectfully Madame, I have politely saked you what Light you were believing in that you now count as falshood. You did not answer. I don't see why I should take note if you know scripture or if you have read the bible even a thousand times. That means nothing to a real Christian. Do you know why I say that?

I sincerely want to know what Light you believed in that you now have traded in for molecules. proteins and amino acids.
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19-04-2013, 01:40 PM
RE: the God term
This is getting pretty tedious. You seem to have done an about face in personality since this thread began. Which is it? god is love? or god is what the bible says he is?

The bible wavers when it comes to god's attributes.

If you'd say love, then consider this. Love (and empathy) require humility. Your posts as of late contain nothing of the sort.

Are you here to merely preach? If so, get with the preaching so we can have something meaningful to discuss. Get to the goddamned point already. If you actually have a sincere desire to reach out to any of us in any way, quit the stupid fucking games already.

Otherwise, shoo.

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19-04-2013, 02:11 PM
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(19-04-2013 01:23 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 10:50 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  How dare you! I've forgotten more about the new testament that you'll EVER know. And quite frankly the whole "you never really KNEW christ" is just a load of bunk. I was a real believer. Don't you dare tell me I wasn't. You sit there in your piously judging...Wrapped up so tightly in your "belief" that you can't see how rude you are.

I've read the entire bible more than once. Ya, I'll admit Romans was taxing for me. I had a hard time getting through that book. But I did.

I learned the history they wanted me to know and knew NONE of the real history they didn't want to me know about. When I asked questions I was told to take it on faith.

The great god of the gaps.

What really does annoy me so very much...is the is rigid sanctimoniousness that you preach here. You don't care about sharing the "good news" you want us to line up and testify to what YOU believe. If our story doesn't line up with your beliefs then you can dismiss us. And laugh piously that we just don't understand the truth.

I hope some day, you'll return here with a better understanding and apologize for your arrogance.

Because quite honestly, many of us, myself included were once just as arrogant.

Until then...

Well, you know...

Shoo fly because that's all you are. A fly sitting atop a pile of shit and calling it dinner.
Respectfully Madame, I have politely saked you what Light you were believing in that you now count as falshood. You did not answer. I don't see why I should take note if you know scripture or if you have read the bible even a thousand times. That means nothing to a real Christian. Do you know why I say that?

I sincerely want to know what Light you believed in that you now have traded in for molecules. proteins and amino acids.

Why should I tell you anything, since you've made it clear you'll just tell me I was doing it wrong or didn't do it right. You've already deemed me guilty of no believing enough. Why wouod anyone bother answering?

Again you don't want real answers, you just want the answers you're prepared to believe.

Your attempts of condenscention amuse me and speak more to your character that of mine. In other words if this how one who believes truly in the Christ conducts themselves on a forum of nonbelievers, I really did make the right decision to reject him as I have you.

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19-04-2013, 02:23 PM (This post was last modified: 19-04-2013 02:57 PM by childeye.)
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 01:23 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 12:01 PM)childeye Wrote:  I only wish I could see what facts you keep talking about that have punched any holes in my Love rules mentality. All you have done is make assertions that love is both chemical and electrical and memory and then say that empathy is simulated. Which of course can't all be true since they negate one another. You don't seem to see the disconnect.

As for what does is a Christ, you should at least take a guess of what it means and at least try and be serious about it. Also, I have another question for atheists who think they know what Christianity is all about. And this may give you a clue as to what a Christ is. So here's the question: According to the bible does a person become a believer by reading a book?

Nope. You don't get to just move on with more shit, until you answer the last pile of crap. What IS a "christ" according to you. Obviously you have a psychological problem, and feel the need to appear "superior*, Childish Churcch Lady.

You failed to explain how the example is not a disproval of a moral absolute, nor have you even tried to provide one. I gabve you an example of where torture may be ok, to stop the bomb. YOU also failed agin to address that. Do you enjoy making a complete fool of yourself ? No one here gives a shit about your "holy book". There is no such thing. Only "books". All books were written by humans. For human reasons.

As far as what makes one a "Christian", are you kidding me ? Your Jebus said "No one shall come to me unless the Father draw him", and "Many are called but few are chosen". So obviouly YOUR Jebus does the work here. What ? You don't read your scriptures ? How are you so ignorant of this ? Some Baptist you are. Not knowing your Babble.

YOu have about 10 pages of questions to address here. Get busy, bub, or is it "bubette" ?

Clearly you're an intelectual fly-weight, trying to masquerade as something more. \
Shoo fly.
Right on Bucky ball. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You finally said something True about Christianity. I'm going to hold you to it. From now on you will be a liar and a dishonest person to say Christians believe otherwise. This is what is True about Christianity: Your Jebus said "No one shall come to me unless the Father draw him", and "Many are called but few are chosen". So obviouly YOUR Jebus does the work here.
Consequently, a Christian does not become a believer by reading a book. So quite using the bible as a means to try to disprove God and His Christ. Quite thinking and spewing lies that a Christian is brainwashed by somebody elses hearsay or propoganda. Quite saying that Christianity is a religion as if men invented it. Because the Truth is that a Christian cannot become a Christian except God does it and that is taught in the Old Testament as well as the New and has been documented thousands of years before there ever was a Christ.

Now since you have finally said something True about Christianity, I will tell you what a Christ is. The Christ is the One True Image of God sent by God Himself. It is therefore not an invention of men in it's true and proper definition. You muddy the waters by saying that it is, and you become a liar because you know that is not what it means. You may not believe in the Christ which is as it should be. But you must admit as you already have, that a True Christian does not believe it is in your power or anyone elses power to believe in the Christ without changing the term and becoming a liar. This is how a True Christian knows a false one and why a false christian cannot see that they are false. Anyone here who thinks a True Christian would come here to this forum and try and find gullible minds to make minions unto god for any religious purpose is completely ignorant of what a Christ is.

Now if you will be so kind as to treat me with the same dignity as you would like to be treated, I will address why your example does not prove there is no moral absolute. You think morality is rules and stipulations. As they teach in law school to all young attorneys, all laws are arguable and as some have said here on this forum, morals are malleable. But the moral absolute is found in Love which is why I said Love rules. Therefore if someone had to torrture someone else to save millions, Love would dictate that this had to be done. I have never been in such a situation of course, but I assume that Love would only torture knowing that it would save innocent people from a worse torture. Moreover Love might reveal better ways to get that information rather than torture. Hence Love is the moral absolute and all morality and immorality is relative to Love.
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19-04-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 01:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 01:07 PM)childeye Wrote:  I thought so. You don't know what a moral absolute is either. That means you don't know what the word Holy means either. This much that you said is very true, religious people do many atrocious things. Please remember you said that, so that you recognize that religion should not be conflated with God lest you create in your mind an equivocation fallacy.

Ooooooh. He learned a big word, and now thinks it makes him look all smart to use it. You lose. That is not an example of that fallacy. You really need a Logic course.
Now that I have shown what a Christ is, I would point out that those religious people who tortured others was done to try to enforce christianity or some other religious belief. But a True Christian would never do such a thing becasue a True Christian knows only God can make a Christian and no torture can force God into anyone. Hence it is also clear that conflating God with religion is an equivocation fallacy because God is not in these religious people who would do such things nor do they know Him.
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19-04-2013, 02:44 PM
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(19-04-2013 11:23 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 11:16 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  He won't. He'll just sleep fitfully in the misguided "belief" we don't.

And then he'll shoo, like the fly he is.

Because the whole "you were never a believer" was his only ace in the hole.

But never forget. He *LOVES* you. Dodgy
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19-04-2013, 02:48 PM
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But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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