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19-04-2013, 04:13 PM
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19-04-2013, 04:24 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 04:03 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 02:57 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  My sentiments exactly. Hey browneye, exactly what is the point? What would you have us take away from this discussion? Or are you here to just laugh at us silly atheists because you believe we will all burn in hell? Sounds like love/empathy to me. You truly are a blessed messenger. Drinking Beverage
I just want you all to understand a simple truth. And that is that a True Christian believes that only God can bring a person to Christ. So that you quite saying lies about Christianity. Is that too much to ask?

Lies about christianity.

This is what I'm talking about. It's taken how long to get you to this point? You need to define christianity now, because you agree that the accepted definition of christianity (that we have been going on and on now for ages) is false.

Games, man. You're not funny, you're not smart, you're not really getting anywhere unless we all know what the fuck you are talking about. Get on with it or get lost.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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19-04-2013, 04:30 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 03:57 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
Quote:My point was to find out how atheist's define god.

[quote]Well that is a fucking stupid point.
Well some people are stupid. It's not like they can just choose to know things.

Quote:What's your favorite drug? What have you got?
Funny

Quote:You're point is a fallacy in and of itself. Atheists don't define god, theists do. You define it, we tell you why it's ridiculous to believe it. That's how it works.
You're missing the point. Christians don't define God either. That's why I told you what a Christ is so you would quite asserting the ridiculous.
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19-04-2013, 04:34 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 11:52 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 11:16 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  He won't. He'll just sleep fitfully in the misguided "belief" we don't.

And then he'll shoo, like the fly he is.

Because the whole "you were never a believer" was his only ace in the hole.

You are probably correct here, considering he has already rejected every accepted definition of Christ and Messiah. So now its time to hijack this thread into a more interesting discussion.

I have a hypothesis on an over ridding theme through Human history that I would like to share and possible hear any counter arguments to.

Human societies only thrive and expand if they are willing to allow the influx of new ideas and peoples into them. Thus any society based on the notion of racial or intellectual superiority is doomed from the beginning as a failed cause. Drawing it back to the time period we have been discussing we have an excellent example in the 2 societies at conflict during the 2nd century bce through the end of the first century ce. Rome vs Judia, The Romans are histories greatest empire builders and keepers for the simple fact that they would assimilate the best of any conquered peoples and were always improving.

Judia on the other hand was a closed society any new ideas were scoffed at as gentile filth and unworthy of "God's chosen people" however a look at their history shows not a chosen people but a group so opposed to change and new ideas that had they not occupied a major point along the trade route no one would have ever even bothered with them. I find it ironic that the ancient Israelites and the KKK share almost exactly the same philosophy and both tend to poison the area's in which they hold sway.

Well thats my Hypothesis and I think it holds together well but please feel free to comment criticise.

Interesting..

The whole "chosen people" thing is odd, since they were nomadic, until they "settled" or squatted on a trade route (I seem to recall they squatted then faught for it or something).

The correlation between them and the kkk is something I find disturbingly ironic (if true) but I don't know enough about them to say one way or another.


God is a concept by which we measure our pain -- John Lennon

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19-04-2013, 04:35 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 04:30 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 03:57 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
Quote:My point was to find out how atheist's define god.

[quote]Well that is a fucking stupid point.
Well some people are stupid. It's not like they can just choose to know things.

Quote:What's your favorite drug? What have you got?
Funny

Quote:You're point is a fallacy in and of itself. Atheists don't define god, theists do. You define it, we tell you why it's ridiculous to believe it. That's how it works.
You're missing the point. Christians don't define God either. That's why I told you what a Christ is so you would quite asserting the ridiculous.

I am missing the point, because you are not making one. There's a definition of christianity, and there's a definition of god. Be clear, so I can quite (sic) asserting things not relevant to whatever the fuck it is you are trying to say.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
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19-04-2013, 04:39 PM
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(19-04-2013 08:25 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Here's one of my favorites:

“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”
― Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

I like that one, its on my list. I'll see your Thomas Paine and raise you a Victor Stenger

"In any human activity other than religion, someone ignoring evidence would be regarded as a fool." - Victor Stenger

“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
“Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.”~ Ambrose Bierce
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19-04-2013, 04:41 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 04:24 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 04:03 PM)childeye Wrote:  I just want you all to understand a simple truth. And that is that a True Christian believes that only God can bring a person to Christ. So that you quite saying lies about Christianity. Is that too much to ask?

Lies about christianity.

This is what I'm talking about. It's taken how long to get you to this point? You need to define christianity now, because you agree that the accepted definition of christianity (that we have been going on and on now for ages) is false.

Games, man. You're not funny, you're not smart, you're not really getting anywhere unless we all know what the fuck you are talking about. Get on with it or get lost.
I'm not playing games. I'm not trying to be funny or smart. Yes it's true there has been fasle christianity for thousands of years. Paul wrote saying there would be false gospels and false teachers led by Satan meant to obscure the Truth. You think the inquisition and burning people alive for not believing is Godly Love? Of course not. It is a far cry from the Christ who submiited to a crucifixion and forgave those who did it to him. The definition of Christianity are those followers who believe in the Christ. Not people who say they believe while they burn others alive for not accepting their religion.
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19-04-2013, 04:46 PM
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(19-04-2013 04:11 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  This thread isn't fun any more. Needs more upside down dogs.

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KC must be 'away' looking for a new church...

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19-04-2013, 04:54 PM
RE: the God term
(19-04-2013 04:41 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 04:24 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Lies about christianity.

This is what I'm talking about. It's taken how long to get you to this point? You need to define christianity now, because you agree that the accepted definition of christianity (that we have been going on and on now for ages) is false.

Games, man. You're not funny, you're not smart, you're not really getting anywhere unless we all know what the fuck you are talking about. Get on with it or get lost.
I'm not playing games. I'm not trying to be funny or smart. Yes it's true there has been fasle christianity for thousands of years. Paul wrote saying there would be false gospels and false teachers led by Satan meant to obscure the Truth. You think the inquisition and burning people alive for not believing is Godly Love? Of course not. It is a far cry from the Christ who submiited to a crucifixion and forgave those who did it to him. The definition of Christianity are those followers who believe in the Christ. Not people who say they believe while they burn others alive for not accepting their religion.

Okay, that's fine. Now let's get down to brass tacks. What is your evidence that god exists?

Try answering with anything other than "he tickles my taint when I think of him".

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
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19-04-2013, 05:02 PM
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(19-04-2013 04:35 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(19-04-2013 04:30 PM)childeye Wrote:  Well some people are stupid. It's not like they can just choose to know things.

Funny

You're missing the point. Christians don't define God either. That's why I told you what a Christ is so you would quite asserting the ridiculous.

I am missing the point, because you are not making one. There's a definition of christianity, and there's a definition of god. Be clear, so I can quite (sic) asserting things not relevant to whatever the fuck it is you are trying to say.
Okay I can see why this would throw you. I came here saying God is the Eternal Spirit of Love right? Now I have said above that a True Christian does not define God. That would appear at face value as a contradiction. But it isn't. The reasom I said we don't define God is because a True Christian believe that the Christ is the One True Image of God sent by God. Hence God defines Himself through the Image He himselfsends. And the Image God sends is the Character of His Spirit which is the Eternal Spirit of Love.
Definition: God is the Eternal Spirit of Love. Definition: Christ is the One True Image of God sent by God Himself. Fact: All True Christians believe that only God can make a Man believe in His Christ. Definition: Christianity is believing in the Christ that God sent.
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