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10-06-2013, 05:16 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2013 05:29 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: the origin of the living cell
You've done nothing "bannable". Christian sites ban people. (Do you know that Catholic Answers actually has in force, what they call a "temporary" *suspension*, (ban)... for many months... on any discussion of Evolution ... heh heh.) TTA does not, unless you break the TOS. Thanks for providing yourself as a "tool" however. You people do a valuable public service, as most of the traffic here is from unregistered guests. The passing, uninformed religionist, such as yourself, provide a service so the guests see frequently, how ridiculous religious claims and arguments actually are, and how poorly they stand up, under scrutiny. I do wish tho, at least once, a challenging one would stop by.

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10-06-2013, 05:23 PM
RE: the origin of the living cell
(10-06-2013 05:16 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You've done nothing "bannable". Christian sites n=ban people. TTA does not, unless you break the TOS. Thanks for providing yourself as a "tool" however. You people do a valuable public service, as most of the traffic here is from unregistered guests. The passing, uninformed religionist, such as yourself, provide a service so the guests see frequently, how ridiculous religious claims and arguments actually are, and how poorly they stand up, under scrutiny. I do wish tho, at least once, a challenging one would stop by.

Thats asking a bit much isn't it? We have some specialists in destroying every aspect of their ignorant argument. Bucky you have the historical and biblical aspect down (along with mark when he jumps in) We have TheBeadedDude for a scientist and several published authors plus a few laymen (such as myself) who enjoy debating. I don't think even WLC could come in here and put up a decent fight. But the quality in the most recent batch has been especially wanting, the only interesting one of the bunch only stuck around like 2 weeks before he left (maybe he will return like he said he would but I suspect he had his faith rocked hard)

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10-06-2013, 06:52 PM
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I see that Mr. Steeves can dish out his demands for archeological and anthropological proof, but can't take it when he's asked for the same. Ah yes, how we'll I remember the days of selective "listening." Ignore the things that might raise questions and undermine one's faith and just keep harping on the things that can't be answered. A great strategy when you live in the Evangelical Ghetto. A poor strategy for dealing with the vast majority of the world's population who do not. Drinking Beverage

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10-06-2013, 11:29 PM
RE: the origin of the living cell
(10-06-2013 05:23 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  the only interesting one of the bunch only stuck around like 2 weeks before he left (maybe he will return like he said he would but I suspect he had his faith rocked hard)

I'm having trouble remembering who the interesting one was ? You'd think it'd be easier because they are so *very* few and far between...
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10-06-2013, 11:32 PM
RE: the origin of the living cell
(10-06-2013 11:29 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 05:23 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  the only interesting one of the bunch only stuck around like 2 weeks before he left (maybe he will return like he said he would but I suspect he had his faith rocked hard)

I'm having trouble remembering who the interesting one was ? You'd think it'd be easier because they are so *very* few and far between...

Oh I know...There was one guy who did pay us a nice compliment when he looked through the personal issues and support threads.

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10-06-2013, 11:42 PM
RE: the origin of the living cell
Oh it was Mojch! Yeah, he was a nice guy. Who's not a self-indulgent baby eater ? Not me Big Grin Ooo double negatives... man I am evil Evil_monster
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10-06-2013, 11:57 PM
RE: the origin of the living cell
(10-06-2013 04:45 PM)Dan Steeves Wrote:  A message for the mad cow king: Do me the favor of banning me. I'm wasting
too much time here anyways.

I'm sure it's difficult being a theist on an atheist forum... I've had the pleasure of being an atheist on a theist forum, and the amount of stuff you have to reply to is ridiculous. It's not exactly an even contest when everybody gets to throw in an argument and you're responsible for 10x the number of arguments.

But still, you're hardly trying. I notice that you've mostly posted challenge after challenge but you're not specifically addressing arguments. Do you really want to win people over? You've got to make arguments that are tailored to the posts that you respond to, and you'll probably also want to ignore the posts that don't make an argument but choose to bait instead (from experience, found on both atheist and theist forums). Become more familiar with your opponents' arguments, too... it may be frustrating and infuriating to read things that you don't agree with, but your arguments will never counter an opponent's claim unless you have read and understand your opponent's claim.

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11-06-2013, 06:24 AM
RE: the origin of the living cell
One of the things that bugs me most with some of these challenges isn't necessarily the challenge itself, it's the imaginary time frame they think we have to know something within for it to be valid.
As in, "Oh, you can't explain how a cell was formed right now? Well, then god did it."

So that means when people didn't understand how gravity worked, how the seasons changed, what the moon was, why people got sick.... god was doing it? But, then, once we learned those things he stopped doing it? Huh

So what if 10 years, or 100 years, or even 1000 years from we learn exactly how a cell was formed and exactly how it works. Does that mean god steps out of the picture?

I say let's turn it back on them.
If you can't explain to me right now exactly how god created the universe, then your creation hypothesis is invalid.
And I don't mean "he spoke it into existence". How did he speak it into existence? What processes are involved in "speaking something into existence"? What energies did he use?
What's that, you don't know? Oh, well, then 'evolution' done did it....

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11-06-2013, 07:53 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2013 08:15 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: the origin of the living cell
(11-06-2013 06:24 AM)LostLocke Wrote:  One of the things that bugs me most with some of these challenges isn't necessarily the challenge itself, it's the imaginary time frame they think we have to know something within for it to be valid.
As in, "Oh, you can't explain how a cell was formed right now? Well, then god did it."

So that means when people didn't understand how gravity worked, how the seasons changed, what the moon was, why people got sick.... god was doing it? But, then, once we learned those things he stopped doing it? Huh

So what if 10 years, or 100 years, or even 1000 years from we learn exactly how a cell was formed and exactly how it works. Does that mean god steps out of the picture?

I say let's turn it back on them.
If you can't explain to me right now exactly how god created the universe, then your creation hypothesis is invalid.
And I don't mean "he spoke it into existence". How did he speak it into existence? What processes are involved in "speaking something into existence"? What energies did he use?
What's that, you don't know? Oh, well, then 'evolution' done did it....

That's my question, but I phrase it differently. You ask "what energy did he use ?". Exactly. The god would be operating within a pre-existent structure, which is not accounted for by a creation statement. If "things happen" when the "gods speak", that fine, (for argument's sake). But I want to know how THAT came to be the basic structure of the god's reality. It implies a further question.
How can causality (by the gods) be the nature of reality, unless some sort of causality is not already in place, (before the *creation event*). How did the god(s) *cause* causality, unless Reality already had a basic structure. It's just infinite regression. The gods performing creation explains nothing. They still have the basic structure of Reality to explain, (including causality). It implies the gods are subject to the nature of reality, not the creator of Reality. You can't "cause causality", unless Reality already has a structure ... and I want to know how the prior structure was put in place. Just using the word "creator" raises an unanswered question. They Special Plead it away, and say, (oh, the god is the "uncaused cause"), but even THAT is no answer, (even if you accept it). An "uncaused cause" IS A STRUCTURE itself, of the god's reality, in which the god exists. What caused the *structure* of "uncaused cause" ? Creation/creator by the god(s) is the answer to nothing.

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11-06-2013, 08:50 AM
Re: the origin of the living cell
He didn't seem to last long Drinking Beverage

I really wish a few more would at least answer questions poised to them. I could care less if they buy anything we say, but at least recognize when they say stupid shit.

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