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30-08-2017, 07:07 PM
RE: while in uffish thought I stood.... necessarily...
(28-08-2017 12:55 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

I was just thinking through the whole "Necessary" definitions and such......

Still not even sure about 'Free will' and whether anything has it.....

Consider

So if everything is "necessary", then wouldn't a god be subject to this? This god can not exercise free will, but only do what is "necessary".

Sounds like a post-hoc truism. Everything is like it is because it's necessary, including god.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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30-08-2017, 07:31 PM
RE: while in uffish thought I stood.... necessarily...
(28-08-2017 12:25 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

And so... while whiling away the wee hours of a dark, dank and chilling morning. Twix the times tween sleep and waking. A troublesome thoght did my consciousness stir.

Folks such as Naielis and such freinds have pointed out to me the whole "Necessary" argument/philosophical discourse.

Reality/The Universe is "Necessary"
Such could only have come about/been instigated by a "Necessary" being (Add everything about such here for short hand)
All the history that follows is "Necessary" (Adam's sin/fall. God's incarnation and atonment etc)


Now my thoughts turned to the idea that the "Necessary" never actually stops.

The past and everything in it/about it 'was' "Necessary".
The present and everything about it/in it 'is' "Necessasy"
So, by extension. ....
The future and everything in it/about it 'must be' "Necessary".

Hence, by the above we have no free will.....

Consider

Hope that makes sense, tapped out on my phone/stream of consciousness as it was.

Happy cogitating! Thumbsup

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In days of olde the "necessary" was the outhouse.
Hey, I'm just sayin...

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31-08-2017, 05:24 AM
RE: while in uffish thought I stood.... necessarily...
(30-08-2017 07:07 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(28-08-2017 12:55 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

I was just thinking through the whole "Necessary" definitions and such......

Still not even sure about 'Free will' and whether anything has it.....

Consider

So if everything is "necessary", then wouldn't a god be subject to this? This god can not exercise free will, but only do what is "necessary".

Sounds like a post-hoc truism. Everything is like it is because it's necessary, including god.

Then there is the old God is outside of time debate. If God is outside of time, then there is no past, no future, to God it is all an eternal now. And since each part of the Big Now includes God's relationship to the Big Now in all it's fine details, all is as it is and cannot change, even God can not change that. So everything is necessary in the strongest terms. How we all got into this situation is hard to deal with. With no before or after, things have always been this way and it is hard to say how then God could create which entails before and after.

Your fifteen minutes as the Buddha are up.

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31-08-2017, 06:44 AM
RE: while in uffish thought I stood.... necessarily...
I had to look up "Uffish".
Quote:uffish

Adjective
(comparative more uffish, superlative most uffish)
(nonce word) grumpy, ill-tempered
Origin
From its sound; Carroll explained the word as "a state of mind when the voice is gruffish, the manner roughish, and the temper huffish."

Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/uffish#z0m...tLeIjd5.99

I am often uffish myself as it so happens.

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31-08-2017, 06:50 AM
RE: while in uffish thought I stood.... necessarily...
(28-08-2017 12:43 PM)Dom Wrote:  Necessary for whom?

Read Augustin. Wink

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