who the f is Yochanan?!?!
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07-02-2013, 01:33 PM
RE: who the f is Yochanan?!?!
oh dear oh dear, this is the latest:

You have a total straw man and category fallacy...
First
of all it is not science vs religion it is: Christian Theism VS
Materialism (I believe the science proves the Creationist position. We
are not arguing science so stop straw manning the situation, we are against your philosophic presupposition)

Second
of all no one believed in that flat earth, that is a complete lie. It
was popularized by a novel and is not indeed true history.
"The
concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy
from around the 6th century BC, but remained a matter of philosophical
speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy
established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given"
and this view was upheld all the way into the modern world, so nice try with the misinformation and straw man attacks...

I
posted a science question to be solved by Daniel, maybe you can do it
if you think you have the correct interpretation of the data..

You said:
"Oh
and Yochanan, you miss the point entirely, NONE of what you post
accounts for the simple fact that if God existed and created everyone
and everything, and failed to make His presence known beyond all doubt,
then the failure is His, not His creation's."
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It is GOD's problem for people not believing in HIM due to blind ignorance???
I
do not see how this polemic against Christian Theism is tenable, as
clearly the BIBLE says GOD allows man to become a fool and have his
reasoning darkened. All you do is prove the Scriptures, if your claim is
that you are indeed the one with a rationally coherent World View,
please feel free to give me a live recorded debate via Skype in which we
can post the results to this thread for all to hear. That way people
can see where the objective rationality fits...
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07-02-2013, 01:41 PM (This post was last modified: 07-02-2013 01:44 PM by Vosur.)
RE: who the f is Yochanan?!?!
Hold on a second. I certainly don't want to accuse you of lying, but I highly doubt that someone who has studied psychology and actively teaches it would be unable to deal with this kind of reasoning by himself.

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07-02-2013, 01:43 PM
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"You can't prove god, therefore god" Laughat

btw... you have to grade him? because his writing is awful! Blink

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07-02-2013, 01:59 PM
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First we need to define what "is" is.... Tongue

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07-02-2013, 02:08 PM (This post was last modified: 07-02-2013 02:53 PM by kineo.)
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Wait, is he challenging you to a Skype debate or us or me or what? I'm confused by that last response of his... Can you clarify?

Edit: Never mind, I see what the deal is. You've asked for help on a couple of other occasions in a debate so I assume you're debating with him on Facebook or in some other setting.
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07-02-2013, 02:14 PM
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The thesis fails when he/she claims that there is no way to prove physical reality. I wouldn't even pretend to debate someone who claims, essentially, that we can't prove we exist. That level of abstract thinking is at best, mental masturbation and at worst, counterproductive.

My take on arguments such as these is that they're scar tissue left from a childhood of perfectionist parenting.
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07-02-2013, 02:55 PM
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(07-02-2013 02:14 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  My take on arguments such as these is that they're scar tissue left from a childhood of perfectionist parenting.

Yea, mind rape generally spews this stuff and freaks me out - it feels predatory. Dodgy

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07-02-2013, 03:00 PM
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I only got through the first few paragraphs of this. It takes too much concentration to try to follow his writing. I'm at work and don't really have the desire to slog through the whole thing. By the time I get home I will probably care even less.... sorry Paulhe.
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07-02-2013, 03:19 PM
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I'm sure many people are hooked by all those big, fancy $10 words, and accept on that alone. Wow, he's so smart he must be right. <rolleyes> If they would only try, they would see that he's just weaving the spaghetti into one knot after another. Cover it with sauce, and voila! Pass the "dazzle them with brilliance" and move directly to "baffle them with bullshit."

We have enough youth. How about looking for the Fountain of Smart?
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07-02-2013, 04:39 PM
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Agree with Thinkerbelle and others, that whole deal eye-glazing BS... Is hell worse than having to slog through that?!

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