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23-04-2016, 08:37 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 08:32 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 08:24 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  And personal accountability. Even if you ever did end up providing supporting evidence for your claims, there's still the question (and I already brought this forth way earlier) of why you posted your utterly irrelevant opinion about white male murders and mass shootings, in a thread about male suicide.


Umm, I'm not asking you to believe that it's old women..

Ok, so if it's not young men, who is it then?

Most all demographics of adult humans have commited murders and mass shootings, followed by suicide. If you're asking me what the majority demographic is, my answer is "I don't know." What I have (very clearly) been asking for here is proof of Heathers claim that the majority are commited by young white males.
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23-04-2016, 08:46 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 08:37 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 08:32 PM)Dom Wrote:  Ok, so if it's not young men, who is it then?

Most all demographics of adult humans have commited murders and mass shootings, followed by suicide. If you're asking me what the majority demographic is, my answer is "I don't know." What I have (very clearly) been asking for here is proof of Heathers claim that the majority are commited by young white males.

Well, you could scan the last 20 years of cases and compile statistics, or you could just accept that most likely you will find that it's primarily young males.

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23-04-2016, 09:06 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 08:46 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 08:37 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  Most all demographics of adult humans have commited murders and mass shootings, followed by suicide. If you're asking me what the majority demographic is, my answer is "I don't know." What I have (very clearly) been asking for here is proof of Heathers claim that the majority are commited by young white males.

Well, you could scan the last 20 years of cases and compile statistics, or you could just accept that most likely you will find that it's primarily young males.

Actually I can also do precisely neither. Burden of proof is on her - and you, if you're positing the same. It's not my job to compile evidence for your claims, especially so because I never said they were wrong. I've been entirely consistent here.

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23-04-2016, 09:11 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
What does any of this have to do with young men committing suicide at a higher rate?


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23-04-2016, 09:18 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 09:11 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What does any of this have to do with young men committing suicide at a higher rate?

I've openly asked this twice here, myself. Mayhap split the thread at the time that certain unsubstantiated non-topic-related claims were made, including all relevant posts to it. (mind; I'm not telling you what do; just suggesting.)
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23-04-2016, 10:21 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 08:37 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 08:32 PM)Dom Wrote:  Ok, so if it's not young men, who is it then?

Most all demographics of adult humans have commited murders and mass shootings, followed by suicide. If you're asking me what the majority demographic is, my answer is "I don't know." What I have (very clearly) been asking for here is proof of Heathers claim that the majority are commited by young white males.

Not pertinent to the original subject but here is what 15 minutes research can give up.

http://www.officer.com/article/10744560/...snt-enough

http://www.jaapl.org/content/37/3/371.long

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/why-are-s...te-men-623

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/20...dangerous/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

Most of it isn't scientific litterature and thus can be taken with a grain of salt, but truth be told 68% of the perpetrators of those crimes were white men most of them being in their adulthood. So yes saying that most mass shooter and people commiting murder-suicide are white men is't false. It would be wrong to say that white men are transforming themselves in dangerous mass murderer since those crimes are extremely rare next to all other murders.

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24-04-2016, 12:54 AM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 10:21 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 08:37 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  Most all demographics of adult humans have commited murders and mass shootings, followed by suicide. If you're asking me what the majority demographic is, my answer is "I don't know." What I have (very clearly) been asking for here is proof of Heathers claim that the majority are commited by young white males.

Not pertinent to the original subject but here is what 15 minutes research can give up.

http://www.officer.com/article/10744560/...snt-enough

http://www.jaapl.org/content/37/3/371.long

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/why-are-s...te-men-623

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/20...dangerous/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

Most of it isn't scientific litterature and thus can be taken with a grain of salt, but truth be told 68% of the perpetrators of those crimes were white men most of them being in their adulthood. So yes saying that most mass shooter and people commiting murder-suicide are white men is't false. It would be wrong to say that white men are transforming themselves in dangerous mass murderer since those crimes are extremely rare next to all other murders.

First link doesn't specify white men, which is the demographic she espoused to be the majority perpetrators.

Second link same problem as first.

Third link specifies mass shootings. Nothing to do with suicide. Though it does specify that white males, who are 72% of the population, commit 64% of mass shootings, WHILE black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 16% of mass shootings. Oops. Black people are unproportionately committing mass shootings, then. But muh narrative.

Fourth link uses same study that the third uses. Already covered.

5th link doesn't work for me.

6'th link outright says that to conclude mass shootings as white crimes is 'problematic.' Also nothing about suicide.

So.. make sure that your sources actually support the claim. Also, and I find myself saying this a lot lately: Cite the study itself instead of linking an opinion piece that attempts to paint a narrative by sloppily using the studies findings. I just want the stats. Not heaps of rhetoric.

Quote:So yes saying that most mass shooter and people commiting murder-suicide are white men is't false.

Nobody is saying that it is.

Let's say, though, that it is a matter of fact that white males commit more murder/mass shooting suicides than other demographics. Now, given that white men are MUCH larger a demographic than any other race of men in the US, would you then conclude that this is so because white men are 'bad guys'? Would you be so surprised that a population majority is also the majority in tons of crimes lol? Because that's just fucking retarded. If certain crimes are committed more by males, then of course the majority perpetrators of those crimes are going to be the largest racial demographic of males in the country.. It has nothing to do with that particular race of men having 'entitlement fulfillment issues' as - heatherness put it - and everything to do with that they are the majority.

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24-04-2016, 04:57 AM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
I usually go out of my way to not be a dick, even when it is deserved, but I can empathize with a dick, and I certainly can empathize with Gilgamesh in this thread. If you accuse white males (specifically) of being mass murderers because they are too big of losers to get their dick wet, then yes you are going to piss people off, especially when you refuse to provide evidence.

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24-04-2016, 05:00 AM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
(23-04-2016 09:11 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What does any of this have to do with young men committing suicide at a higher rate?

(23-04-2016 06:43 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  I don't think so. The majority of suicides, murder/suicides and mass shootings/suicides are young white men. How is that not relevant? Many of them, as we have heard after the fact, had entitlement issues, mommy issues, women issues that were also related to their entitlement issues, so how is that not relevant? That all of those things are also mental health issues is not a coincidence it's relative to the problem as a whole. I don't believe there a single factor in all this, it's complex and any and all factors and sub factors are reasonable to discuss. I never claimed they were the only factor.

Yes, some black guys do this as well but the overwhelming majority is young white guys. I think the category of "suicides" (anyone who kills themselves regardless of what happens just prior to the actual suicide) is pretty big, maybe it should've been specified it to a single individual killing himself, for ease of discussion. There are lots of sub categories for suicide. Again, they're all relevant, imo.




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24-04-2016, 05:09 AM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
The key to reducing male suicide is to make sure something else kills us before we have a chance to do it ourselves. Drinking Beverage

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