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22-04-2016, 04:59 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
It's simple............

In the US the suicide rate is up ----

because we're likely to have Donald or Hillary as the next president............

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While I haven't thought of capping myself - I have considered immigration to Mars........................

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22-04-2016, 06:34 PM
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(22-04-2016 03:40 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why is male suicide raising?

Women? Tongue

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22-04-2016, 06:37 PM
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(22-04-2016 03:58 PM)Dom Wrote:  I don't think elder suicide is terrible. When you can count the years you have left on your fingers, and you are going to spend these years in the daily struggle with a failing body or mind, suicide is a very rational option. It has nothing to do with depression and everything with concluding a life well lived on a humane and decent note.

I agree.

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22-04-2016, 06:43 PM
RE: why is male suicide going up?
Ok Zeke, I'll probably regret this. Why do you think guy suicide is on the rise?


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22-04-2016, 06:45 PM
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(22-04-2016 06:37 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 03:58 PM)Dom Wrote:  I don't think elder suicide is terrible. When you can count the years you have left on your fingers, and you are going to spend these years in the daily struggle with a failing body or mind, suicide is a very rational option. It has nothing to do with depression and everything with concluding a life well lived on a humane and decent note.

I agree.

I recently saw something on these statistics. Numbers can be manipulated, and I didn't source the numbers (though the source was listed). If correct male suicide far outpaces woman suicide in America, with the highest group of suicides being younger white men.

Oddly enough, I also saw something not long ago stating that the group with the highest rate of depression were middle-aged to older women. Go figure.

Men start out miserable, and get happier as life goes by, and women start out happy and get more depressed as they age? Who the hell knows?

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22-04-2016, 07:05 PM
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(22-04-2016 06:45 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 06:37 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  I agree.

I recently saw something on these statistics. Numbers can be manipulated, and I didn't source the numbers (though the source was listed). If correct male suicide far outpaces woman suicide in America, with the highest group of suicides being younger white men.

Oddly enough, I also saw something not long ago stating that the group with the highest rate of depression were middle-aged to older women. Go figure.

Men start out miserable, and get happier as life goes by, and women start out happy and get more depressed as they age? Who the hell knows?

I didn't keep a link handy, but read this afternoon that docs more often than not call suicide by gun "accident" to spare the family embarrassment and also because insurance.... So, the stats on this are way off anyway. Way, way off.

Suicide among old folks has little to do with depression and everything with choices. It's only younger folk that assume it has to be depression, because that applies more to the young and is relatable for them. And, old folks (65 and up) are the vast majority. Look at the way the age groups are divided in the stats provided, with 45 to 70 year olds being one lump group. 45 is midlife to young, 70 is end stages and old. They should not be lumped together, it's totally different.

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22-04-2016, 07:27 PM
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(22-04-2016 07:05 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 06:45 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I recently saw something on these statistics. Numbers can be manipulated, and I didn't source the numbers (though the source was listed). If correct male suicide far outpaces woman suicide in America, with the highest group of suicides being younger white men.

Oddly enough, I also saw something not long ago stating that the group with the highest rate of depression were middle-aged to older women. Go figure.

Men start out miserable, and get happier as life goes by, and women start out happy and get more depressed as they age? Who the hell knows?

I didn't keep a link handy, but read this afternoon that docs more often than not call suicide by gun "accident" to spare the family embarrassment and also because insurance.... So, the stats on this are way off anyway. Way, way off.

Suicide among old folks has little to do with depression and everything with choices. It's only younger folk that assume it has to be depression, because that applies more to the young and is relatable for them. And, old folks (65 and up) are the vast majority. Look at the way the age groups are divided in the stats provided, with 45 to 70 year olds being one lump group. 45 is midlife to young, 70 is end stages and old. They should not be lumped together, it's totally different.

I can't speak for most young folk, but suicide as an option not due to emotional turmoil is something I have thought about plenty - though to be fair when I was younger (teens) I thought a lot about suicide because of debilitating depression. The older you are, the more likely you are to be betrayed by your body and mind, and the more likely you are to commit suicide because you quality of life diminishes. Younger people are more likely to have full mobility, sharp senses, and mental acuity. Either way, most people who kill themselves intentionally do so to end pain, or to prevent it. Again, I recognize the differences, but they have similarities.

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22-04-2016, 07:29 PM
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(22-04-2016 06:34 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 03:40 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why is male suicide raising?

Women? Tongue

Could be.

I was actually thinking, "Why is male suicide rising?.... the same reason male mass killings are rising." I say a some of it is because some men can't get laid because more women are either not interested in men or not interested in lame men and that turns into misogyny. That's also what they say causes rape a lot too.

Double edge sword, "You won't fuck me because I'm lame, so I'll hate you for it and then either kill you or rape you. Funny how that works. Now more suicides on the rise. At least they're killing themselves and not others.

I wonder how many of those same men spend their time enjoying their hating on women rather than learning to be more likable people?

This also applies to women, except for the killing bit. Women are less likely to kill others for revenge and more likely to just do themselves. Wonder what the stats are on that?

Anywho... Blink I don't think that what you say is totally right, nor totally wrong.

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22-04-2016, 07:41 PM
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(22-04-2016 07:27 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  The older you are, the more likely you are to be betrayed by your body and mind, and the more likely you are to commit suicide because you quality of life diminishes.

That's right. The quality of life diminishes AND it will never improve again.

That's the big difference between young and old in this context - for the young, the issues leading to suicidal thought are mostly temporary, there is lots of time and space for improvement or recovery.

For the old, the issues are permanent and they will get only worse, plus new issues are added constantly.

Personally, I fail to see the value in a life that has little or no quality, with no improvement possible. But that is just me, everyone will have their own threshold. And that threshold will vary as one goes through life...

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22-04-2016, 07:53 PM
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(22-04-2016 07:29 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 06:34 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Women? Tongue

Could be.

I was actually thinking, "Why is male suicide rising?.... the same reason male mass killings are rising." I say a some of it is because some men can't get laid because more women are either not interested in men or not interested in lame men and that turns into misogyny. That's also what they say causes rape a lot too.

Double edge sword, "You won't fuck me because I'm lame, so I'll hate you for it and then either kill you or rape you. Funny how that works. Now more suicides on the rise. At least they're killing themselves and not others.

I wonder how many of those same men spend their time enjoying their hating on women rather than learning to be more likable people?

This also applies to women, except for the killing bit. Women are less likely to kill others for revenge and more likely to just do themselves. Wonder what the stats are on that?

Anywho... Blink I don't think that what you say is totally right, nor totally wrong.

I don't think Mass-Shooting has an agreed upon definition, but Islam has certainly contributed to Mass-Shootings. I doubt mass-shooters are often inspired because a woman didn't want to have sex with a man. If I were to guess I'd say it has more to do with being raised by violent parents, being bullied in school, and the lack of treatment for mental health issues. Men are certainly more likely to murder than women though, and most gun homicides (not sure what counts as a mass shootings) are related to illegal narcotics. The good news is that violent crime in America has been dropping in recent years.

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