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09-04-2016, 09:44 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
Many memories of church have seemingly fade over the years that I've myself apcent of them. What I do recall is asking myself this question "If God is everywhere. We live on God's earth. Wouldn't that mean we could just stay home and praise him there? Why do we need to dress up to spend 2+ hours of my weekend sitting, kneeling, and standing while the preset tells us to repent?"

Jesus (if he exsited) would agree with me saying it was an all out bad idea.

Acts 7:48-49
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?


John 2:20
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

1 Corinthian 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

If a mans body is his temple then why travel to church?

During the Roman Error Temples where open 24 hours. If you wanted to talk to Aferdite (or any of there gods) you walk in leave your offering gold, food, a item of value say your prayer then leave. The priest of the time would take those offerings as their own put it towards the temple or their pockets.

This did not go unnoticed to the early christians if fact many of them during the roman empire had to resort to hidding out because they were perfect kindling for the Collosem.

That when this Jesus fish came into play.
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They had to hold their meetings in secret. They were a cult after all, so they would make that marking on the wall so the followers knew how to find them to hear the word.

So fast forward a number of years. Roman has fallen all that remains or remanets of the once great empire. What do people simple people resort to during their darkest hours. Bingo God. People still would vist churchs hoping for salvation. And the churchs where making lots of money. With money comes power.

Kings and Chruchs stood hand in hand. Kings got their money threw taxes and Church's got it threw donations. With that money they built bigger more impressive structures to attract more followers. Enter the Spanish Inquisition.

Kill none believers, Jews, Pagans and the like. How dose one show they are none of those? Show up to church, and confess.

Church becomes a routine. A cultural must.

I feel that it's needed to keep the disillusion alive. A time tested brain-wash method. You're put into a social circle, that make you feel like you're a part of something. Per-pressure is put onto you to keep showing up. Mormons, Scientology, Jehovah witness are notorious for following up with members of there "flock" that don't. With out their member's they don't have money or the power they want to achieve.

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09-04-2016, 10:10 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 09:36 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  It's sad how convinced you are of this which is the exact same logic used of a soviet totalitarian controlled regime. This is our laws and they make sense when you follow our laws. You will be rewarded when you do.
Not even close. Socialists and communists FORCED me to follow their BELIEVES/ideology and laws.
I CHOOSE to follow God's laws. When I practice them I see results. Results that benefit me. Then I can understand why God's laws are so good and wise and IMPORTANT for me.
God's Laws are given for my own benefits NOT for God's benefits.
Laws of communists/socialists are NOT for my benefits but for the benefits of BIG FAT government(something all progressives believe in and dream about)
(09-04-2016 09:36 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Sorry to say because it's a higher proclaimed authority, doesn't make it actually legitimate.
I can agree with this statement.

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09-04-2016, 10:14 AM
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About rewards for following laws.
TRUE principle - every good deed has to be rewarded; if there are no rewards what is the point of doing good?

Reward for obeying laws is HAPPINESS.
Why do I need LIFE if there is no HAPPINESS?

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09-04-2016, 10:19 AM
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(09-04-2016 09:44 AM)Commonsensei Wrote:  If a mans body is his temple then why travel to church?
This is a great question I would love to answer.
What does it mean "a mans body is his temple"? It means that a man has to treat his own body as he would treated temple of God - with respect and good care.
When a man goes to the Church he gets extra fuel(inspiration) to treat his body the way God wants it.

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09-04-2016, 11:25 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 09:44 AM)Commonsensei Wrote:  If a mans body is his temple then why travel to church?
This is a great question I would love to answer.
What does it mean "a mans body is his temple"? It means that a man has to treat his own body as he would treated temple of God - with respect and good care.
When a man goes to the Church he gets extra fuel(inspiration) to treat his body the way God wants it.

If you read the rest of my post you'll see how I respond to the question.

We're not to far off from each other. The only difference is you see it as a "spiritual refueling" I see it as brain washing.

The power of suggestion, and the pressure from a fellows pers can be a powerful motivator. The churches need these factors to be true other wise the metaphorical fingers will be snapped and the followers will wake up. They loose the ability to control judgement, and the ability to get there fingers into peoples pockets.

















John Smith new these well. Or at least well enough to convince people that he could read things in a hat with a stone.

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09-04-2016, 11:44 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 10:10 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 09:36 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  It's sad how convinced you are of this which is the exact same logic used of a soviet totalitarian controlled regime. This is our laws and they make sense when you follow our laws. You will be rewarded when you do.
Not even close. Socialists and communists FORCED me to follow their BELIEVES/ideology and laws.
I CHOOSE to follow God's laws. When I practice them I see results. Results that benefit me. Then I can understand why God's laws are so good and wise and IMPORTANT for me.
God's Laws are given for my own benefits NOT for God's benefits.
Laws of communists/socialists are NOT for my benefits but for the benefits of BIG FAT government(something all progressives believe in and dream about)
(09-04-2016 09:36 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Sorry to say because it's a higher proclaimed authority, doesn't make it actually legitimate.
I can agree with this statement.

No those laws were for your benefit, you just can't see that because you refused to believe in them and follow them. If you claim the difference is YOU understand that's just admitting it's ignorance.

You have no difference there. You just replaced the socialists with those "TRUE" prophets and their religious texts that someone of proclaimed significance actually wrote with true messages involved.

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09-04-2016, 12:55 PM
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(09-04-2016 11:44 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  No those laws were for your benefit, you just can't see that because you refused to believe in them and follow them. If you claim the difference is YOU understand that's just admitting it's ignorance.
I followed those laws. If I didn't I would be a criminal, I would be in jail.
Big fat government doesn't care about my benefits, it only makes claims that it does. But those claims are lies/deception.
Those claims are rotten fruit in a beautiful golden cover. Big fat socialist government was getting fatter, I was not.
Thanks to capitalism and free market I am more chubby now then I was before. More opportunities, more freedom.
Big fat government in which all progressives, socialists, communists believe gives crumbs and takes away opportunities to have great meals.

I CHOSE to follow God's laws. Nobody forced me to do this. I chose them because I have faith that they will benefit me as God promises. And they do so far.
There is a difference between God and progressives, communists, socialists.
1)God's promises are much greater then promises of progressives, communists, socialists.
2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws, I have freedom to choose not to obey them and to reject benefits. Progressives, socialists, communists do not give me an opportunity to make this choice. Benefits are forced upon me. Benefits I don't ask.

P.S.
I chose to obey God's laws. I have perfect knowledge/evidence that obeying those laws are for my own benefits.
I also have perfect knowledge(from personal experience) that big fat government don't give a fig about an individual.

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09-04-2016, 06:40 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 11:44 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  No those laws were for your benefit, you just can't see that because you refused to believe in them and follow them. If you claim the difference is YOU understand that's just admitting it's ignorance.
I followed those laws. If I didn't I would be a criminal, I would be in jail.
Big fat government doesn't care about my benefits, it only makes claims that it does. But those claims are lies/deception.
Those claims are rotten fruit in a beautiful golden cover. Big fat socialist government was getting fatter, I was not.
Thanks to capitalism and free market I am more chubby now then I was before. More opportunities, more freedom.
Big fat government in which all progressives, socialists, communists believe gives crumbs and takes away opportunities to have great meals.

I CHOSE to follow God's laws. Nobody forced me to do this. I chose them because I have faith that they will benefit me as God promises. And they do so far.
There is a difference between God and progressives, communists, socialists.
1)God's promises are much greater then promises of progressives, communists, socialists.
2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws, I have freedom to choose not to obey them and to reject benefits. Progressives, socialists, communists do not give me an opportunity to make this choice. Benefits are forced upon me. Benefits I don't ask.

P.S.
I chose to obey God's laws. I have perfect knowledge/evidence that obeying those laws are for my own benefits.
I also have perfect knowledge(from personal experience) that big fat government don't give a fig about an individual.

Oh personal experience, of course that leads to "perfect knowledge." Sorry you're wrong, I know this because I have perfect knowledge form my personal experience that obeying gods laws will make you wind up hated by god. His laws are a trap... I know this because I know I know it, because I have perfect knowledge.

You can't be as stupid as you want to seem right?

THat type of reasoning and argumentation is why people lead onto paths of killing and subjugation millions of other humans. You continually propagate the worst type of thinking in human history. It's not the religious thoughts or anti-socialist thoughts... the the reasoning that is terrifying for humanity to continually focus on.

If your gods really existed, they CLEARLY don't care about the individual either. That's why they use the EXACT same manipulations, techniques, routines. Not even just the people, but the so called "true prophets" and actual texts do the same thing. Worship a jealous god; be rewarded from following the rules but punished if you don't... and it's just such a sad state of humanity that you are so convinced you got out of that but your mind is still focused in that type of thinking, you just transplanted the authority to a brand new authority you think is so much different and better.

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09-04-2016, 07:01 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Oh personal experience, of course that leads to "perfect knowledge." Sorry you're wrong, I know this because I have perfect knowledge form my personal experience that obeying gods laws will make you wind up hated by god. His laws are a trap... I know this because I know I know it, because I have perfect knowledge.
You can't be as stupid as you want to seem right?
Please, give me an example how God's law is a trap.
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  If your gods really existed, they CLEARLY don't care about the individual either.

Of course they do, that is why there was infinite atonement of Christ and that is why Gods give laws. Laws that lead to eternal progression/happiness
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Worship a jealous god;
what does it mean "worship a jealous God"? what does it mean "jealous" God?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  be rewarded from following the rules
what is wrong with being rewarded for doing what is right?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  but punished if you don't...
what is wrong with justice(be accountable for breaking laws)?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  and it's just such a sad state of humanity that you are so convinced you got out of that but your mind is still focused in that type of thinking, you just transplanted the authority to a brand new authority you think is so much different and better.
But I am happier person. I have moral agency. It is all about happiness. You can not enjoy anything (even your life) if you are not happy.
God's laws is the way towards eternal happiness. Why would I reject something that brings more happiness. More happiness is better than less happiness. I choose(when I can) what is better or the best for me.

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09-04-2016, 07:09 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(08-04-2016 11:06 PM)Alla Wrote:  I am not talking about just doing well. I am talking about being strong in KEEPING God's LAWS no matter what happens in your life. It is not always easy to be faithful to the covenants you make with God while life overwhelms you.
By getting extra fuel at the Church every Sunday I can go on with my daily life REMEMBERING my covenants with God and KEEPING them.
Every law of God has a reason and makes sense when you PRACTICE it.

So Alla, what is your favorite flavor?

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