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09-04-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws,

Right, but if you don’t you’ll swim in a lake of fire for eternity...Consider not forced at all, you’re right.

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09-04-2016, 07:13 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:01 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Oh personal experience, of course that leads to "perfect knowledge." Sorry you're wrong, I know this because I have perfect knowledge form my personal experience that obeying gods laws will make you wind up hated by god. His laws are a trap... I know this because I know I know it, because I have perfect knowledge.
You can't be as stupid as you want to seem right?
Please, give me an example how God's law is a trap.
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  If your gods really existed, they CLEARLY don't care about the individual either.

Of course they do, that is why there was infinite atonement of Christ and that is why Gods give laws. Laws that lead to eternal progression/happiness
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Worship a jealous god;
what does it mean "worship a jealous God"? what does it mean "jealous" God?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  be rewarded from following the rules
what is wrong with being rewarded for doing what is right?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  but punished if you don't...
what is wrong with justice(be accountable for breaking laws)?
(09-04-2016 06:40 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  and it's just such a sad state of humanity that you are so convinced you got out of that but your mind is still focused in that type of thinking, you just transplanted the authority to a brand new authority you think is so much different and better.
But I am happier person. I have moral agency. It is all about happiness. You can not enjoy anything (even your life) if you are not happy.
God's laws is the way towards eternal happiness. Why would I reject something that brings more happiness. More happiness is better than less happiness. I choose(when I can) what is better or the best for me.

Example of a trap, this thread is it... Why does God want attendence and tithings? Because he knows who to punish for being so manipulated by other humans and bad reasoning. God wants to punish those who believe in gods, any gods.

psychology must not be right about happiness then, doesn't quite agree to you. I'm glad you're happier, but you and many others at times attribute it to different things. You may of been just as happy in your place without replacing the logic of "authority" knowing what is better for you than you did with 1 source to another source.

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09-04-2016, 07:27 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws,
Right, but if you don’t you’ll swim in a lake of fire for eternity...Consider not forced at all, you’re right.
Not true. Because of the Atonement nobody will swim in a lake of fire for eternity. There is no such claim in the scriptures that someone will be in hell for eternity. Not a word.
If you choose to lie you choose to be dishonest person. You can not lie and be an honest person at the same time. Honest people choose to tell the truth
You can not choose not to follow eternal laws and become like Gods. Gods choose to obey laws.

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09-04-2016, 07:29 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 07:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Right, but if you don’t you’ll swim in a lake of fire for eternity...Consider not forced at all, you’re right.
Not true. Because of the Atonement nobody will swim in a lake of fire for eternity. There is no such claim in the scriptures that someone will be in hell for eternity. Not a word.
If you choose to lie you choose to be dishonest person. You can not lie and be an honest person at the same time. Honest people choose to tell the truth
You can not choose not to follow eternal laws and become like Gods. Gods choose to obey laws.

Grape...I bet you like grape best.

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09-04-2016, 07:41 PM
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ClydeLee Wrote:Example of a trap, this thread is it... Why does God want attendence and tithings? Because he knows who to punish for being so manipulated by other humans and bad reasoning. God wants to punish those who believe in gods, any gods.
No, He doesn't. He never said this. God punishes only those who break laws. It is justice. Any person who breaks laws goes to jail/punished. It is true principle. God also punishes those who do evil. God doesn't punish those who believe in other gods. God doesn't punish for lack of true knowledge.

ClydeLee Wrote:psychology must not be right about happiness then, doesn't quite agree to you.
what does psychology say about happiness?
ClydeLee Wrote:I'm glad you're happier, but you and many others at times attribute it to different things. You may of been just as happy in your place without replacing the logic of "authority" knowing what is better for you than you did with 1 source to another
I can figure out myself many ways how to be happy. I can learn about those ways form others. I do not reject those ways. But God shows ways that I or other men can not figure out on my/their own. I and they don't have enough knowledge and experience. Because I have faith I follow those ways of God that He reveals. When I do it I discover what I didn't know before. What I discover makes me happy.
Should I reject my faith then?

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09-04-2016, 07:45 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2016 07:49 PM by Chas.)
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 07:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Right, but if you don’t you’ll swim in a lake of fire for eternity...Consider not forced at all, you’re right.
Not true. Because of the Atonement nobody will swim in a lake of fire for eternity. There is no such claim in the scriptures that someone will be in hell for eternity. Not a word.
If you choose to lie you choose to be dishonest person. You can not lie and be an honest person at the same time. Honest people choose to tell the truth
You can not choose not to follow eternal laws and become like Gods. Gods choose to obey laws.

There are more than 150 references to hell in the NT, many of them referring to the lake of fire. There is no mention of being consigned there for any finite time.
In fact, Matthew 25:46 says "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”.

Once again you demonstrate that you don't know or understand what is written in your scriptures.

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09-04-2016, 08:29 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:41 PM)Alla Wrote:  
ClydeLee Wrote:Example of a trap, this thread is it... Why does God want attendence and tithings? Because he knows who to punish for being so manipulated by other humans and bad reasoning. God wants to punish those who believe in gods, any gods.
No, He doesn't. He never said this. God punishes only those who break laws. It is justice. Any person who breaks laws goes to jail/punished. It is true principle. God also punishes those who do evil. God doesn't punish those who believe in other gods. God doesn't punish for lack of true knowledge.

ClydeLee Wrote:psychology must not be right about happiness then, doesn't quite agree to you.
what does psychology say about happiness?
ClydeLee Wrote:I'm glad you're happier, but you and many others at times attribute it to different things. You may of been just as happy in your place without replacing the logic of "authority" knowing what is better for you than you did with 1 source to another
I can figure out myself many ways how to be happy. I can learn about those ways form others. I do not reject those ways. But God shows ways that I or other men can not figure out on my/their own. I and they don't have enough knowledge and experience. Because I have faith I follow those ways of God that He reveals. When I do it I discover what I didn't know before. What I discover makes me happy.
Should I reject my faith then?

Uh.. God told me that, I know it from the perfect knowledge I have that I acquired through personal experience. God told me that god and gods don't exist, and god will punish those who believe in god/gods because god doesn't want that. It's just a limited basis using line of believing that god is tired of seeing out of humanity.

How do you know if they can't figure them out on their own if they just rely on the authoritarian socialist state to give them to them?

Isn't that why people tithe and go to church over and over because they're convinced it is the source... not any of the other factors. It's a problem of correlation being assumed to be the causation form people. Why don't you accept that you've done it on your human own with your human relationships with other people and creatures in the world?

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09-04-2016, 10:49 PM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2016 09:40 AM by Ace.)
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws,

Right, but if you don’t you’ll swim in a lake of fire for eternity...Consider not forced at all, you’re right.

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09-04-2016, 11:02 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
Spoiler Alert: The Bible is a tragic comedy. Everything goes wrong for god, every time. He creates humans and Eden, but forgets to wall of the Tree of Knowledge of prevent snakes from talking. Be banishes humanity for his mistake, but forgets to make them either incapable or impervious to murder. Many generation later everyone is so incredibly wicked (including the unborn) that he needs to drown the whole world, and bets everything on a single family; and of course, that doesn't work either.

If the Bible had been performed as a stage play in an amphitheater for the ancient Greeks, they'd be laughing their asses off. These are the people who invented deus ex machina after all.

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10-04-2016, 05:37 AM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2016 05:50 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 07:41 PM)Alla Wrote:  
ClydeLee Wrote:Example of a trap, this thread is it... Why does God want attendence and tithings? Because he knows who to punish for being so manipulated by other humans and bad reasoning. God wants to punish those who believe in gods, any gods.
No, He doesn't. He never said this. God punishes only those who break laws. It is justice. Any person who breaks laws goes to jail/punished. It is true principle. God also punishes those who do evil. God doesn't punish those who believe in other gods. God doesn't punish for lack of true knowledge.

ClydeLee Wrote:psychology must not be right about happiness then, doesn't quite agree to you.
what does psychology say about happiness?
ClydeLee Wrote:I'm glad you're happier, but you and many others at times attribute it to different things. You may of been just as happy in your place without replacing the logic of "authority" knowing what is better for you than you did with 1 source to another
I can figure out myself many ways how to be happy. I can learn about those ways form others. I do not reject those ways. But God shows ways that I or other men can not figure out on my/their own. I and they don't have enough knowledge and experience. Because I have faith I follow those ways of God that He reveals. When I do it I discover what I didn't know before. What I discover makes me happy.
Should I reject my faith then?
Remember when I showed how you making claims of hearing from god is no different from when Isaac Haight and John D Lee claimed to hear from the same god and proceeded to slaughter innocent people?

Remember when you said you'd leave this forum and you're still here?

Why would anyone believe anything a demonstrable liar like you says?

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