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11-04-2016, 06:25 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 04:21 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 05:35 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  And you have been caught lying multiple times in the past so bad news for you.
You say this. so bad news for me.

It's not bad news because I'm saying it, I'm saying it because it's a demonstrated FACT that's been proven multiple times and THAT is why it's bad news for you.

You ARE a liar and that's not my opinion it's a fact.

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11-04-2016, 07:05 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 11:44 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  No those laws were for your benefit, you just can't see that because you refused to believe in them and follow them. If you claim the difference is YOU understand that's just admitting it's ignorance.
I followed those laws. If I didn't I would be a criminal, I would be in jail.
Big fat government doesn't care about my benefits, it only makes claims that it does. But those claims are lies/deception.
Those claims are rotten fruit in a beautiful golden cover. Big fat socialist government was getting fatter, I was not.
Thanks to capitalism and free market I am more chubby now then I was before. More opportunities, more freedom.
Big fat government in which all progressives, socialists, communists believe gives crumbs and takes away opportunities to have great meals.

I CHOSE to follow God's laws. Nobody forced me to do this. I chose them because I have faith that they will benefit me as God promises. And they do so far.
There is a difference between God and progressives, communists, socialists.
1)God's promises are much greater then promises of progressives, communists, socialists.
2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws, I have freedom to choose not to obey them and to reject benefits. Progressives, socialists, communists do not give me an opportunity to make this choice. Benefits are forced upon me. Benefits I don't ask.

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I chose to obey God's laws. I have perfect knowledge/evidence that obeying those laws are for my own benefits.
I also have perfect knowledge(from personal experience) that big fat government don't give a fig about an individual.

Where do Mormons believe their god's laws are written?
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11-04-2016, 10:32 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 07:05 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  I followed those laws. If I didn't I would be a criminal, I would be in jail.
Big fat government doesn't care about my benefits, it only makes claims that it does. But those claims are lies/deception.
Those claims are rotten fruit in a beautiful golden cover. Big fat socialist government was getting fatter, I was not.
Thanks to capitalism and free market I am more chubby now then I was before. More opportunities, more freedom.
Big fat government in which all progressives, socialists, communists believe gives crumbs and takes away opportunities to have great meals.

I CHOSE to follow God's laws. Nobody forced me to do this. I chose them because I have faith that they will benefit me as God promises. And they do so far.
There is a difference between God and progressives, communists, socialists.
1)God's promises are much greater then promises of progressives, communists, socialists.
2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws, I have freedom to choose not to obey them and to reject benefits. Progressives, socialists, communists do not give me an opportunity to make this choice. Benefits are forced upon me. Benefits I don't ask.

P.S.
I chose to obey God's laws. I have perfect knowledge/evidence that obeying those laws are for my own benefits.
I also have perfect knowledge(from personal experience) that big fat government don't give a fig about an individual.

Where do Mormons believe their god's laws are written?

You know how you guys had stone tablets with 10 nifty commandments on them?

The mormons believe that Joseph Smith found... 3 I think... *golden* tablets (gold beats stone so nyah to you!) covered in "Egyptian heiroglyphics" (if I recall correctly), which he was *magically* able to translate using two stones (the Urim and the Thumim - you might have more of an idea wtf those are) which he placed in the bottom of his hat (no doubt Alla will correct me on the important details).

Joseph Smith translated the tablets and dictated their contents to some other knob who wrote it down. The golden tablets were subsequently lost, but in every copy of the Mormon bible there is a statement by 3 worthy citizens and a further statement by 10 worthy citizens that they saw the goddamn tablets and every word contained in this here bible is true.

Oh yeah, an angel named Moroni (not making this up) first alerted Joseph Smith to his divine destiny.

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12-04-2016, 01:49 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 06:25 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(11-04-2016 04:21 PM)Alla Wrote:  You say this. so bad news for me.

It's not bad news because I'm saying it, I'm saying it because it's a demonstrated FACT that's been proven multiple times and THAT is why it's bad news for you.

You ARE a liar and that's not my opinion it's a fact.

But, but...but, it makes her feel happy! Facepalm

Shes a happy liar after all who does no harm at all (...to herself....she thinks).

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12-04-2016, 07:58 AM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(12-04-2016 01:49 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(11-04-2016 06:25 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  It's not bad news because I'm saying it, I'm saying it because it's a demonstrated FACT that's been proven multiple times and THAT is why it's bad news for you.

You ARE a liar and that's not my opinion it's a fact.

But, but...but, it makes her feel happy! Facepalm

Shes a happy liar after all who does no harm at all (...to herself....she thinks).

too bad happiness doesn't justify it
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12-04-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 05:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)Skittles Wrote:  I was taught the "hell fire for eternity" doctrine but I quickly threw it out when the churches I attended couldn't back it up with scripture. I agree with you that when a person looks at what it's really saying, an eternal fire for former humans, is NOT what it says.

Ummm what part of "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matthew 25:46) do you not understand? Consider

Hi Chas, I understand the verse that you are speaking of and I need to say up front that I don't trust anything the bible says. I also realize that I may have understood things in a manner that was not intended. I am NOT fluent in Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. I could only do research on the verses by means of "trusting" my professors almost 3 decades ago. (Yes I'm old)

In my limited research (Limited by my own lack of knowledge) and understanding of the scriptures and the languages the verses were translated from, I was able to ask questions that lead me to realize church leaders didn't have a clue what they were talking about. (As I'm sure most atheists have learned.)

I am more than willing to re-examine my findings that are decades old.

In answer to your question...

My memory has faded on the details of that verse but the important part of that verse, the part of the answer that has stuck in my brain for all these years is that the verse says, "eternal punishment" not, "eternal punish(ING)." Taking this verse with the other verses, in both old and new testaments, it was easy for me to "see" that God had no intentions of burning us "alive" for all eternity. I read the verses as the lake of fire is for the devil and his demons to be kept in jail (so to speak) and that the fire has to be kept burning forever in order to keep Satan and his fallen angles away from the "good" humans that get to live forever on the Earth or in heaven... Whatever the case may be.

I fall back on Jeremiah 7:31 where the Bible claims that god said, "They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind."

I will gladly re-examine my findings but I don't even believe a god exists so I don't know if it's really necessary unless it can help someone else. Thumbsup

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12-04-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 04:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)Skittles Wrote:  I was taught the "hell fire for eternity" doctrine but I quickly threw it out when the churches I attended couldn't back it up with scripture. I agree with you that when a person looks at what it's really saying, an eternal fire for former humans, is NOT what it says.

That said...

The Bible DOES describe a "flat" or "snow-globe" Earth. Research will reveal this, just like good research can help a person with the hell fire doctrine.

Do you believe the Earth is flat?

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Prophets didn't believe in flat earth. They knew about cosmos more than you think.
Prophets used SYMBOLIC language. Symbols have HIDDEN meaning. This meaning is hidden so NOT all people would understand.
God will not reveal many things to those who do not believe in Him for their own benefits. The less you know the less you are accountable before God.
God is merciful to those who do not believe in Him. He protects them from the harm they can do for themselves.
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I've noticed people are calling you a Mormon, is that true, are you a Mormon? I've only met one Mormon in my life and she had quit the church and joined our EVFree church. She told me some messed up stuff about the Mormon church. My point isn't that the church is messed up... my point is that I don't know anything about Mormons other then the historical facts of how the church was founded. That alone should have people running and screaming from that church, but I digress...

You speak of "hidden meanings" and I would like for you to show me, in the OLD TESTAMENT, where god shows he truly understands the earth is GLOBULAR.

It looks like someone really did a snow job on you with supposed "hidden meanings" but I guess it makes sense, how else can a church explain why an all knowing god is too dumb to know the planet is a globe!

Please tell me why knowledge of a globular earth is more sinful than knowledge of a flat earth. How does god show his power (in your mind) by lying about the shape of the earth? How does that help the believer?

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12-04-2016, 03:10 PM (This post was last modified: 13-04-2016 08:50 AM by Commonsensei.)
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 04:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  Prophets didn't believe in flat earth.

This probably is true. The idea of a round earth was not nuance once her "prophets" made up the religion.

(11-04-2016 04:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  They knew about cosmos more than you think.

Highly doubtful. A least in terms of them knowing greatly about the cosmos. But probably true as in they knew more then I would give them credit for.

However during there time they would have thought there would have been 11 planets.
Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Vesta, Juno, Ceres, Pallas, Jupiter, Saturn & Uranus.

During this time astronomers called any cluster of light in the sky a planet. If she could provide a document predating 1846 from here profits, that talked about Neptune or even the astrode belt that would be something.

(11-04-2016 04:27 PM)Alla Wrote:  Prophets used SYMBOLIC language. Symbols have HIDDEN meaning. This meaning is hidden so NOT all people would understand.

Well isn't that convenient. Dodgy

"Ok everyone I have a message. This is a very important message one that will determine the fate of humanity, your soul, and the fate of the universe. Now pull out your decoder rings, we apologize but our factory could only make 10 so your going to have to share. Remember very important! If you don't have one then you'll just have to take who ever has one's word for it. *snicker* I love you. *snicker* I going to burn you so badly if you don't listen to me. *giggle* but I love you." ~ God

Ok so we can establish Alla thinks her god is a tricksters god, one that goes threw great lengths to stay hidden.

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14-04-2016, 07:04 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(11-04-2016 07:05 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  I followed those laws. If I didn't I would be a criminal, I would be in jail.
Big fat government doesn't care about my benefits, it only makes claims that it does. But those claims are lies/deception.
Those claims are rotten fruit in a beautiful golden cover. Big fat socialist government was getting fatter, I was not.
Thanks to capitalism and free market I am more chubby now then I was before. More opportunities, more freedom.
Big fat government in which all progressives, socialists, communists believe gives crumbs and takes away opportunities to have great meals.

I CHOSE to follow God's laws. Nobody forced me to do this. I chose them because I have faith that they will benefit me as God promises. And they do so far.
There is a difference between God and progressives, communists, socialists.
1)God's promises are much greater then promises of progressives, communists, socialists.
2)God doesn't force me to obey His laws, I have freedom to choose not to obey them and to reject benefits. Progressives, socialists, communists do not give me an opportunity to make this choice. Benefits are forced upon me. Benefits I don't ask.

P.S.
I chose to obey God's laws. I have perfect knowledge/evidence that obeying those laws are for my own benefits.
I also have perfect knowledge(from personal experience) that big fat government don't give a fig about an individual.

Where do Mormons believe their god's laws are written?
We believe that God reveals His laws through His prophets. Prophets speaks or write these laws.
Writings of the prophets are called "scriptures". Mormons have many books that are called "scriptures"
But only 4 of them are "Standard Works":
1)The Bible
2)Book of Mormon
3)D&C (Doctrine and Covenants)
4)Pearl of Great Price

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14-04-2016, 07:16 PM
RE: why would a deity need to take attendance ?
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  I've noticed people are calling you a Mormon, is that true, are you a Mormon?
Yes, it is true. I am LDS.
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  I've only met one Mormon in my life and she had quit the church and joined our EVFree church. She told me some messed up stuff about the Mormon church.
OK
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  My point isn't that the church is messed up... my point is that I don't know anything about Mormons other then the historical facts of how the church was founded. That alone should have people running and screaming from that church, but I digress...
I respect your personal opinion.
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  You speak of "hidden meanings" and I would like for you to show me, in the OLD TESTAMENT, where god shows he truly understands the earth is GLOBULAR.
OT doesn't tell about God's true understanding of anything.
OT is a book that was written by mortal men. These men received information form God. Then they had to digest this info and share with others.
They often use symbolic language for the following reasons:
1)symbols help to understand and remember info much better
2)symbols hide the message from those who are not worthy or not ready to know it.
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  Please tell me why knowledge of a globular earth is more sinful than knowledge of a flat earth.
Is it? If yes, I have no idea why.
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  How does god show his power (in your mind) by lying about the shape of the earth? How does that help the believer?
I have no evidence of that.
(12-04-2016 02:40 PM)Skittles Wrote:  Cheers
Cheers

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