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22-01-2014, 03:03 PM
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So how come Christians don't have significantly lower accidental death rates than everyone else?

Thanks God for making sure that when I nearly killed myself falling off my bike when I was nine, that I smashed my head into a gatepost near a house where there were people I knew, otherwise I'd have bled to death.

But surely God, you could have just tightened up the handlebar bolt so I didn't fall off in the first place? Or maybe you could have given me a puncture so I couldn't use my bike that night and had to walk?

After all I was really, really devout at that age... More than ever before or since.

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22-01-2014, 03:10 PM
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(22-01-2014 02:33 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(22-01-2014 02:20 PM)wardonis Wrote:  A friend of mine posted this on his facebook today, I knew he was religious but I never thought he was this indoctrinated...

There are a zillion people out there who think that is just the cutest story.... Confused

I find this story very telling when someone likes it. First of all, god says, I made you late so you would avoid the train derailment, I can't help but to immediately focus on those he didn't help.

Perhaps instead of spending his time making someone late, since he is so inclined to intervene, he could prevent the train derailment to begin with and EVERYBODY wins.

When I see someone liking shit like that, i always comment, "I see that you "liked" the fact that all these other people got into car accidents and died."

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22-01-2014, 03:15 PM
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(22-01-2014 02:49 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  It's just meant to be a cute/humorous little story that teaches a Christian lesson. Sure it's cheesy and lame, but I don't think any Christian thinks this is a literal transcript between a guy and God.

The gist of the story is scripturally sound, albeit petty. It teaches the Biblical lesson that God has a plan and that plan is greater than any plan that we know.

Would you think the same thing if someone posted an Aesop Fable? They use fantastic elements to teach similar lessons (obviously not the lesson of God's plan, but you get the idea).

Just sayin'. I think some of the criticism here is simply because of the person's religiosity.

The criticism is simply because relying on myths is not a wise way to run one's life.

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22-01-2014, 03:21 PM
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(22-01-2014 03:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-01-2014 02:49 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  It's just meant to be a cute/humorous little story that teaches a Christian lesson. Sure it's cheesy and lame, but I don't think any Christian thinks this is a literal transcript between a guy and God.

The gist of the story is scripturally sound, albeit petty. It teaches the Biblical lesson that God has a plan and that plan is greater than any plan that we know.

Would you think the same thing if someone posted an Aesop Fable? They use fantastic elements to teach similar lessons (obviously not the lesson of God's plan, but you get the idea).

Just sayin'. I think some of the criticism here is simply because of the person's religiosity.

The criticism is simply because relying on myths is not a wise way to run one's life.

And the fact that a fable is taken for what it is, and this person is being cute in order to profess to everyone listening that there is a magical unseen personality in charge of your daily life. Kind of corny attempt at that!

“Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up, must come down, down, down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.”
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22-01-2014, 03:37 PM
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"God's" "actual" responce, in the bible, when questioned about personal suffering...

The Lord Speaks
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!

22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?
39 “Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
2 Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
3 They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.

5 “Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied its ropes?
6 I gave it the wasteland as its home,
the salt flats as its habitat.
7 It laughs at the commotion in the town;
it does not hear a driver’s shout.
8 It ranges the hills for its pasture
and searches for any green thing.

9 “Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will it stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold it to the furrow with a harness?
Will it till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on it for its great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to it?
12 Can you trust it to haul in your grain
and bring it to your threshing floor?

13 “The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
though they cannot compare
with the wings and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.

19 “Do you give the horse its strength
or clothe its neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make it leap like a locust,
striking terror with its proud snorting?
21 It paws fiercely, rejoicing in its strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 It laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
it does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against its side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement it eats up the ground;
it cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet it snorts, ‘Aha!’
It catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.
26 “Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread its wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build its nest on high?
28 It dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is its stronghold.
29 From there it looks for food;
its eyes detect it from afar.
30 Its young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there it is.”
40 The Lord said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”
3 Then Job answered the Lord:

4 “I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more.”
6 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm:
7 “Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
8 “Would you discredit my justice?
Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
9 Do you have an arm like God’s,
and can your voice thunder like his?
10 Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,
and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.
11 Unleash the fury of your wrath,
look at all who are proud and bring them low,
12 look at all who are proud and humble them,
crush the wicked where they stand.
13 Bury them all in the dust together;
shroud their faces in the grave.
14 Then I myself will admit to you
that your own right hand can save you.
15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?
41 [h]“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor[i]?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has[j] rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”

P.S. "God" is a dick. Far less compassionate that this friend's post made "him" sound. They should read the bible if they "really" want to know what "God thinks".

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22-01-2014, 04:19 PM
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(22-01-2014 02:32 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  That is a very old Christian propaganda bullshit story on the same level of single footprints on the beach. Your friend is just like every other mindless spineless Christian who can't think for himself so he reposts the same shit they all do.


Yeah but what's worse is that Christians often post these stories as rebuttals to arguments. There's the one above, the one about the professor and the student and the one about a man on a roof waiting for god to rescue him in a flood to name a few

I'm sure Christians think these events actually happened when they site them as 'evidence'.

Mind you,referring to stories as proof of god is nothing new to them.
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22-01-2014, 05:05 PM
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(22-01-2014 02:20 PM)wardonis Wrote:  A friend of mine posted this on his facebook today, I knew he was religious but I never thought he was this indoctrinated...

Quote:Me: God, can I ask You a question? God: Sure Me: Promise You won't get mad God: I promise Me: Why did You let so much stuff happen to me today? God: What do u mean? Me: Well, I woke up late God: Yes Me: My car took forever to start God: Okay Me: at lunch they made my sandwich wrong & I had to wait God: Huummm Me: On the way home, my phone went DEAD, just as I picked up a call God: All right Me: And on top of it all off, when I got home ~I just want to soak my feet in my new foot massager & relax. BUT it wouldn't work!!! Nothing went right today! Why did You do that? God: Let me see, the death angel was at your bed this morning & I had to send one of My Angels to battle him for your life. I let you sleep through that Me (humbled): OH GOD: I didn't let your car start because there was a drunk driver on your route that would have hit you if you were on the road. Me: (ashamed) God: The first person who made your sandwich today was sick & I didn't want you to catch what they have, I knew you couldn't afford to miss work. Me (embarrassed):Okay God: Your phone went dead because the person that was calling was going to give false witness about what you said on that call, I didn't even let you talk to them so you would be covered. Me (softly): I see God God: Oh and that foot massager, it had a shortage that was going to throw out all of the power in your house tonight. I didn't think you wanted to be in the dark. Me: I'm Sorry God God: Don't be sorry, just learn to Trust Me.... in All things , the Good & the bad. Me: I will trust You. God: And don't doubt that My plan for your day is Always Better than your plan. Me: I won't God. And let me just tell you God, Thank You for Everything today. God: You're welcome child. It was just another day being your God and I Love looking after My Children... REPOST if you Believe in HIM Worth posting. Like the page Astig FM and Visit http://www.astigfm.net.. Thanks!

Yeah, "god" can explain all the insignificant mishaps, but when it comes to the big ones - cancer, starving children, congenital disabilities, etc. - that's when "he" goes running. Dodgy

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23-01-2014, 07:21 AM
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(22-01-2014 02:20 PM)wardonis Wrote:  A friend of mine posted this on his facebook today, I knew he was religious but I never thought he was this indoctrinated...

Quote:Me: God, can I ask You a question? God: Sure Me: Promise You won't get mad God: I promise Me: Why did You let so much stuff happen to me today? God: What do u mean? Me: Well, I woke up late God: Yes Me: My car took forever to start God: Okay Me: at lunch they made my sandwich wrong & I had to wait God: Huummm Me: On the way home, my phone went DEAD, just as I picked up a call God: All right Me: And on top of it all off, when I got home ~I just want to soak my feet in my new foot massager & relax. BUT it wouldn't work!!! Nothing went right today! Why did You do that? God: Let me see, the death angel was at your bed this morning & I had to send one of My Angels to battle him for your life. I let you sleep through that Me (humbled): OH GOD: I didn't let your car start because there was a drunk driver on your route that would have hit you if you were on the road. Me: (ashamed) God: The first person who made your sandwich today was sick & I didn't want you to catch what they have, I knew you couldn't afford to miss work. Me (embarrassed):Okay God: Your phone went dead because the person that was calling was going to give false witness about what you said on that call, I didn't even let you talk to them so you would be covered. Me (softly): I see God God: Oh and that foot massager, it had a shortage that was going to throw out all of the power in your house tonight. I didn't think you wanted to be in the dark. Me: I'm Sorry God God: Don't be sorry, just learn to Trust Me.... in All things , the Good & the bad. Me: I will trust You. God: And don't doubt that My plan for your day is Always Better than your plan. Me: I won't God. And let me just tell you God, Thank You for Everything today. God: You're welcome child. It was just another day being your God and I Love looking after My Children... REPOST if you Believe in HIM Worth posting. Like the page Astig FM and Visit http://www.astigfm.net.. Thanks!

Me: Well, thank you God, but why didn't you just fix the root problems instead of creatively protecting me through inconvenience? Also, what about all the times you don't protect people?

God: You're welcome. My ways are mysterious. So mysterious, in fact, that I prefer them to be functionally identical to me not actually doing anything!

Me: But God, it people believing in you is so important to salvation, why not just show yourself instead of hiding? Why not remove all doubt?

God: See my previous answer. I like it more when people can't even know if I exists. Also, bonus points if you can figure out which god I am! Based on our conversation, you can't even tell if I'm the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim god! Heck, you can't even tell if I'm one of the Abrahamic gods at all! Good luck choosing the right religion, because I'm certainly not telling you which one it is!
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23-01-2014, 09:28 AM
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He is one of my closest friends and if he and I weren't so close i'd call him out on it, but i work with him and 2 of his brothers are my bosses because I work for their family. i dunno really what to do or if i should just ignore it.
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23-01-2014, 09:43 AM
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(23-01-2014 09:28 AM)wardonis Wrote:  He is one of my closest friends and if he and I weren't so close i'd call him out on it, but i work with him and 2 of his brothers are my bosses because I work for their family. i dunno really what to do or if i should just ignore it.

Ignore it. It's not worth getting fired over. As a general rule, keep religion separate from work (unless it is your work).
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