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20-06-2016, 04:42 PM
young boys and education
I want to bring up the issue of young boys and education, something I find really important.

One of the problems people bring up with boys and education is that things are stacked against them. One of these problems is the bias against boys by female students

http://cee.lse.ac.uk/ceedps/ceedp133.pdf

another one is that most classes don't teach boys the way they learn best.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/...ifferently

boys for the most part are rowdy and like to move around and work with things hands on. However most schools(if not all) work in ways that females learn, which tends to be a lot more calm and quiet.

and this continues into college, and by that I mean not at all for many men. In recent years the number of men going to college has decreased

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/42...households

The question is how do we solve this issues and when will they be solved? And another question is does anyone care?

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20-06-2016, 06:09 PM
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Solved? What you presented as a problem, some people see as a solution.

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20-06-2016, 06:26 PM
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Kinesthetic lessons, energy utilizing projects in classes, and cost benefit highlighting.

Oh and solutions that don't oneside folks into promoting extrovert or introvert as the right way

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21-06-2016, 04:56 AM
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(20-06-2016 06:09 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  Solved? What you presented as a problem, some people see as a solution.

Why do they think it is the solution?

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21-06-2016, 05:30 AM
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(21-06-2016 04:56 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(20-06-2016 06:09 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  Solved? What you presented as a problem, some people see as a solution.

Why do they think it is the solution?

Because masculinity is viewed as inherently bad trait , "toxic" is the word most commonly associated with it , and the best way to stifle it is to start with young boys.

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21-06-2016, 05:39 AM
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(21-06-2016 05:30 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(21-06-2016 04:56 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why do they think it is the solution?

Because masculinity is viewed as inherently bad trait , "toxic" is the word most commonly associated with it , and the best way to stifle it is to start with young boys.

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21-06-2016, 06:08 AM
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(21-06-2016 05:30 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(21-06-2016 04:56 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why do they think it is the solution?

Because masculinity is viewed as inherently bad trait , "toxic" is the word most commonly associated with it , and the best way to stifle it is to start with young boys.

Well I wouldn't say that most people think it is toxic, but I would say that feminine standards are valued more.

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21-06-2016, 06:20 AM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2016 09:13 PM by CleverUsername.)
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Online schooling might help.

I mean, brick and mortar schools should undoubtedly take more steps to improve the problem, but just at the moment, if I had a son who was doing badly in school because it was too "calm and quiet", I'd consider online schooling. All of your schooling can be condensed into a tablet that you can run around with, no one cares how loud you are, and you get the ability to ditch lessons midway through if you're really, really out of it (provided the school has self paced lessons instead of virtual classroom ones).

I don't quite remember if my school suggested hands on stuff to go along with the lessons (if they did I ignored them), but a parent willing to do some Google searches could make up for that.

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21-06-2016, 08:17 AM
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(21-06-2016 06:20 AM)CleverUsername Wrote:  Online schooling might help.

I mean, brick and mortar schools should undoubtedly take more steps to improve the problem, but just at the moment, if I had a son who was doing badly in school because it was too "calm and quiet", I'd considering online schooling. All of your schooling can be condensed into a tablet that you can run around with, no one cares how loud you are, and you get the ability to ditch lessons midway through if you're really, really out of it (provided the school has self paced lessons instead of virtual classroom ones).

I don't quite remember if my school suggested hands on stuff to go along with the lessons (if they did I ignored them), but a parent willing to do some Google searches could make up for that.

Online schooling sounds interesting. And I do agree that parents should get involved with the education of children, whether male or female.

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21-06-2016, 04:13 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2016 05:02 PM by epronovost.)
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To answer your last question, does anyone care? Boys drop out numbers are the second most discussed and most studied issue by schools and teacher. The most debated and studied issue is ironically also impacting boys more strongly than girls: the integration of students with disabilities, behavioral and/or learning troubles and handicap in regular classrooms. To aleviate those issue the following practice have been put foward, some with great success: school sports team programs, sports (or music, theatre) centered programs (both great success), some regions or schoolboards have attempted positive discrimination to stimulate the hiring of men school teachers (not a big success much like most other attempt at positive discrimination), the creation of a brand new school curriculum in most Western Country in the early 2000's based on interractive teaching methods (success has varied depending on where and how the new program was applied), programs against discrimination and bullying (pretty inefficient due to lack of interventions and commitment), new programs for the formation of new teachers with a stronger emphasis on child development (again efficiency can vary widely). All in all, boys keep having lower grades on average and higher drop out rates than girls. On the other side, boys situation at school has improved vastly over the last 25 years. Drop out rates have been lowered by half in the last 20 years while average has slightly improved over the same period (though, since the programs and evaluation have changed comparison can be difficult). In resume, while the situation is concerning, this issue is a top concern for education specialists be they didactician or teacher. Cultural changes toward education, more ressources allocated toward students in difficulty and better training programs for teachers will be necessary to completly close the gap. The greatest threat to boys success in class (or any children success in school for that matter) are austerity programs that cut funds to schools. The first who are impacted by those cuts are students in difficulties and most of them are boys.

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