Shout Box
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:45 -- Following Sandy Hook, most gun-owners of a non-insane variety would have gone for closing the gun show loophole and getting rid of high-capacity magazines. Didn't happen. The non-insane variety aren't calling the shots, no pun intended.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:45 -- ignoring the regulations that the Swiss have
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:44 -- Switzerland is oft pointed to by Pro-gun people as proof that more guns =/= more problems
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:44 -- Licensing? Yeah, nice in a perfect world, but not feasible in this political climate.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:44 -- everything is registered but you are allowed to own as many firearms as you want
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:43 -- The Swiss basically give very strict training to anyone that wants to have a firearm
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:43 -- My point is, don't try to change the law, try to change the market. The law will follow.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:43 -- .... and yes, I know, that's not actually what happened with cigarettes.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:42 -- What do the Swiss do, again?
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:42 -- The best strategy, I think, is what I call a "cigarette strategy". Not impose government regulation (though that would help eventually), but taint the product so much in the popular mind that people stop wanting to buy.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:42 -- mainly because most gun owners of the non-insane variety would go for it
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:42 -- Personally I favor Swiss style regulation
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:41 -- IMO, working through the Dems is the wrong way for gun control advocates to approach the issue.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:41 -- And they shouldn't.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:41 -- and the fact is as a Party the Dems have no standard position on Guns
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:41 -- That's like saying abortion's a dead issue because no one's changing their minds.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:40 -- But that's not because people don't care about it, it's because everyone's entrenched about it.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:40 -- MAYBE. The rash of mass shootings could easilly bring it back any day.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:40 -- the slaughter of Kindergarten kids by an assault weapon does nothing to move that conversation.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:39 -- I hate to say it but Gun control in America is a dead issue for at least this generation
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:39 -- One is "the only issue that matters is abortion". Another is, "Vote for us or you lose your guns."
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:39 -- Gun control is critical on a party level. The Republicans have like two or three big scare tactics to keep everyone voting for them no matter how much they disagree on other issues.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:38 -- Didn't for me.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:38 -- no idea why that one double posted
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:37 -- Gun Control is the odd man out tbh
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:36 -- .... okay, fine, maybe I'd be hard-pressed to tie gun control and environmental protection together, but by and large...
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:36 -- Example: The American Humanist Association AHA was bitching after the Democratic Convention that AThiests had not been highlighted. Hillary gets an A from Secular Groups where Trump gets an F but because their brand of liberalism was not mentioned we have to pount
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:35 -- The thing is, they're all tied together. Improving education, getting rid of at least conservative religion, gun control, womens' rights, world peace, protecting the environment... show me ONE of those that doesn't help the others.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:34 -- and if you are not talking about whatever their personal liberal crusade is then tend to interrupt to bring up their group rather than listen to whatever issue is being discussed
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:34 -- See? I can give him SOME praise.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:34 -- Trump's managing to undermine that a bit.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:34 -- Conservatives DO subdivide a lot. They've just recently got this unholy fusion thing that keeps going despite it.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:33 -- Right. They're also more net-oriented. Radio is old-school.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:33 -- Liberals tend to subdivide much more than conservatives
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:32 -- Franken
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:32 -- there is not an audience for it
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:32 -- ... is it Frankel or Franken?
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:32 -- Frankel tried it. Didn't work.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:31 -- there is no equivalent on the liberal side to the Rightwing Radio Sphere
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:31 -- Or they think more about the vote than the ground game leading up to the vote.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:30 -- like how they turn up to vote for the office that is mostly Pomp and circumstance but not actual power and let the non-presidential elections go hard right
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:30 -- yup
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:29 -- And they're not focussed on the local issues when they are active.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:29 -- That's a big problem on a lot of issues. The moderates and even a lot of the liberals aren't active the way the conservatives are.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:28 -- but give it 5-10 years of 10% cuts every year and you have a barebones class that teaches nothing
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:27 -- and a 10% cut to the science department is not going to get the community out with torches and pitchforks
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:26 -- cause lets face it most people will never go to a school board meeting
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:26 -- now granted Most parents do rebel at having their kids education actively destroyed if it is not blatant then it sort of passes unnoticed
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:25 -- and the problem is the areas they are most likely to succeed are the ones where the local populace is in agreement with at least their stated goals
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:24 -- Yeah, for realz.