Shout Box
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:20 -- and that portion is far more active than the portion that wants better education
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:19 -- If it was a perfect world, we wouldn't need solutions.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:19 -- I can give you tons of perfect world solutions but the problem is a good portion of the country activly wants worse education
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:19 -- Fire away.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:18 -- So the challenge is, how do we reform education, for the better, nationwide, DESPITE the right wing sabotaging it in at least a half dozen different ways? And saying "get rid of the right wing" doesn't count unless you can do that.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:18 -- There is a fun factoid
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:17 -- Marillyn Hewson 2013- Present
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:17 -- Yay for beaten odds.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:17 -- it is a woman
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:17 -- No I was wrong
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:17 -- Probably male because it's a CEO, but there are exceptions.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:17 -- Probably Male given that it is a Military contractor
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:16 -- .... or her, I forget who that CEO is right now. If I ever knew. Which I didn't.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:16 -- Hell, I'd be willing to line that CEO's pockets if it was because we graduated brilliant engineers who made him even richer.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:15 -- I would gladly pay more taxes if my taxes went to education and healthcare not lining the CEO of Lockheed-Martin's wallet
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:15 -- No argument here
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:14 -- And conveniently enough, that comes back to the right wing again. Because GUESS WHO DOESN'T WANT TO PAY?
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:14 -- and made double what she would have as a elementary school teacher
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:14 -- And so many of the people who DO go into teaching despite getting paid crap do so because they have an agenda. Like prostelytizing or sabotaging science education.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:14 -- One ran a glorified babysitting room in a grocery store.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:13 -- I knew several people that had all the degrees needed to teach that wanted to teach but couldn't afford to leave the private sector
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:12 -- That's not an elephant problem, that's a pay prob... exactly.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:12 -- and the stupidly low pay is why
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:12 -- That also impacts hiring. I was a not-good teacher (because I lacked the temperment to get 8th graders to do anything I said). And I was a new teacher. Who would hire me? Not the ones who could afford anyone better.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:12 -- the lack of Good Pasionate teachers
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:12 -- and then there is the elephant in the room
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:11 -- poor
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:11 -- Yup. AND that's another problem for poor schools.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:11 -- meaning that poo districts get less funding than rich ones
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:11 -- partially that comes from the fact that schools in the US are given a budget based off local property tax
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:11 -- Right. It's not a "we don't know how to do it" problem, it's a "we don't know how to do it consistently and everywhere".
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:10 -- the real problem is the glut of failing schools
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:10 -- they could be better but what couldn't
» GenesisNemesis - 16-08-26 14:10 -- yup Tongue
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:10 -- Let's face it, the good schools in this country don't need much improvement. Maybe they could use some, but not much.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:10 -- GN: .... so you mean a critical thinker won't stop and ask whether critical thinking is a waste of time? Tongue
» GenesisNemesis - 16-08-26 14:09 -- we can always be improving our critical thinking
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:09 -- yeah since most of those jobs have left the country
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:09 -- Or not even manual labor.
» GenesisNemesis - 16-08-26 14:09 -- The best part about critical thinking is it's impervious to the "waste of time" criticism Big Grin
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:09 -- especially areas with no real prospect for anything but manual labor
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:09 -- Yes. One of MANY factors going into the disparity you talked about.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:08 -- That tends to be far more prevelant in poor areas
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:08 -- I tried teaching for a bit, and the "waste of time" mentality was one of the biggest obstacles I encountered. It's also probably the hardest one to fix with education reform.
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:07 -- One of the handful of big changes that needs to be made -- and I don't know how to make it -- is cultural. It's not enough to have great schools if you've got a bunch of peer groups and family who tell kids to think of school as a waste of time.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:06 -- Yeah everyone has a best way to learn but it does not mean they can't learn from other styles
» Escape Artist - 16-08-26 14:06 -- ah, gotcha Smile
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:06 -- Good word, Rev. Overstated.
» Revenant77x - 16-08-26 14:05 -- I think it was more "Overstated" than false
» Reltzik - 16-08-26 14:05 -- The research I'm talking about was a few years ago.... 2012, maybe?