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			<title><![CDATA[God is like a shttiy girlfriend]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:17:49 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[My bank of Monkey, might come in handy.]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:56:21 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Don't know where else to put it.<br />
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Here's my bank of monkey. I think it might come in handy.<br />
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And you can borrow all the monkeys you want. <br />
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But please only return the happy ones.<br />
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<img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em101.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em101.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em68.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em68.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em115.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em115.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em85.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em85.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em59.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em59.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em51.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em51.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em106.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em106.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em100.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em100.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em114.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em114.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em80.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em80.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em67.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em67.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em113.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em113.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em78.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em78.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em104.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em104.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em63.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em63.gif]" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Don't know where else to put it.<br />
<br />
Here's my bank of monkey. I think it might come in handy.<br />
<br />
And you can borrow all the monkeys you want. <br />
<br />
But please only return the happy ones.<br />
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<img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em101.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em101.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em68.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em68.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em115.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em115.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em85.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em85.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em59.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em59.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em51.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em51.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em106.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em106.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em100.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em100.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em114.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em114.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em80.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em80.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em67.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em67.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em113.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em113.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em78.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em78.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em104.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em104.gif]" /><img src="http://img.lkong.cn/static/image/smiley/monkey/em63.gif" border="0" alt="[Image: em63.gif]" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[David Lee vs Revenant77x]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:15:15 -0500</pubDate>
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I'll go ahead and start with a question Mr Lee What flavor of theist are you?]]></description>
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I'll go ahead and start with a question Mr Lee What flavor of theist are you?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Theist Looking For Atheist Debate]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:07:48 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello, everyone, I'm a theist interested in atheist vs theist debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello, everyone, I'm a theist interested in atheist vs theist debate.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Does Anyone Believe in Noah's Ark?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:42:31 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Does anyone believe in Noah's Ark, as an actual historical event? <br />
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If you believe, please post here, because I have questions. I hope you have answers.]]></description>
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If you believe, please post here, because I have questions. I hope you have answers.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[sin and guilt]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:19:01 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is what my friend wrote me on facebook. <br />
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She's an attractive and intelligent woman but she believes in the bible as "God's word" and instruction book for life- and thinks I do to still. She's 30 and in her sexual prime and is looking for a husband, and is a very cheerful person, a little goofy sometimes and always describes herself as blessed. she only had sex in high school with her boyfriend, who she thought loved and wanted to stay with her/bzw marry her. Also, I think she did some petting or something once, and she was worried she could have gotten pregnant. <br />
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Me: I don't think you should feel any guilt for your past. Be open about it but don't feel guilty or ashamed. Please. Kelly<br />
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Her: well, repentance comes following guilt and shame. Jesus helps me to heal from my past sins. I think here on earth I will feel ashamed of my sins when speaking of them. when I speak about the past I don't expect to cry, but I often do. as I lived through those times in great insecurity I felt as though I had ruined my whole life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This is what my friend wrote me on facebook. <br />
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She's an attractive and intelligent woman but she believes in the bible as "God's word" and instruction book for life- and thinks I do to still. She's 30 and in her sexual prime and is looking for a husband, and is a very cheerful person, a little goofy sometimes and always describes herself as blessed. she only had sex in high school with her boyfriend, who she thought loved and wanted to stay with her/bzw marry her. Also, I think she did some petting or something once, and she was worried she could have gotten pregnant. <br />
<br />
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Me: I don't think you should feel any guilt for your past. Be open about it but don't feel guilty or ashamed. Please. Kelly<br />
<br />
Her: well, repentance comes following guilt and shame. Jesus helps me to heal from my past sins. I think here on earth I will feel ashamed of my sins when speaking of them. when I speak about the past I don't expect to cry, but I often do. as I lived through those times in great insecurity I felt as though I had ruined my whole life.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Atrocious Fiction Books]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:51:53 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[What was the worst fiction book you've ever read? I finished Wizard's First Rule last year, and it was the dullest fantasy I've ever come across. Nothing was original. Run-on sentences were a blessing. Chapters dragged for dozens of pages and what could have been explained in six words was spelled out in excruciating tedium.<br />
<br />
Here's a more detailed analysis:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/RENERY611CAYC/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&amp;ASIN=0765322757#wasThisHelpful" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/review/RENERY611CA...hisHelpful</a><br />
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<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>This book is long winded and dull. To make things worse, it's difficult to follow at times. Goodkind must know this, as several pages after a major event a truncated description is offered for certain scenes. A case in point is the initial confrontation between Richard, Kahlan and the quad in chapter 2. On the same topic, I literally rolled my eyes when the villains were described as having "blonde hair and blue eyes." Great. This is obviously going to be a retelling of World War 2. There are a few mildly interesting philosophical dissertations thrown in, and I did find Richard and Kahlan to be fairly interesting. They were given adequate pages for exposition. Unfortunately, these are not constants; some philosophical conclusions are less than what one could expect in an introductory college course. "Power is neither good nor evil, it's the user who determines it." Well, duh. The writing is so dull at times as Goodkind spells everything out in minute detail for the reader. Dozens of pages are wasted on explaining what anyone with a primary school education could figure out. The "betrayal" is so obvious that anyone who hasn't fallen asleep during the first quarter of this book would have seen it coming about 500 pages ahead of time. The "big" reveal about Kahlan's true nature is a prime example. At least the final revelations were wrapped up fairly quickly.<br />
<br />
An extremely gruesome and gratuitously brutal scene of child sacrifice takes up close to a dozen pages (of microscopic font). Not only is this a terrible use of prose and a run-on chapter, but it is likely to turn away even the most ardent BDSM practitioner. Scenes of such brutality are the author's right to wax poetic about, certainly, but to do so in such detail adds nothing to the plot, throws the pace of the novel into a quagmire and will likely nauseate most readers. I had to skim ahead to spare myself the grotesque horror of this scene.<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, the wise old wizard and evil villain are more one-dimensional than Emperor Palpatine. There's no reason to care about their motives or goals. The plot is hardly better, essentially ripped from The Lord of the Rings in whole cloth. The villain seeks three boxes of power, one of which will extinguish all life, one of which will claim his life, and one of which will grant him eternal power over life and death. The heroes must stop him, but not before 400 pages or so of wandering around while we are introduced to the various peoples of the world. None of these are very interesting. The Mud People are a tribe of hunter-gatherers, stuck in their ways and unwilling to embrace modernity because of one particularly stubborn elder who wields an incommensurate degree of power. And there's even a clone of Gollum to boot.<br />
<br />
Queen Milena and her daughter Violet are the evil stepmother and stepsister of the book. They enjoy tormenting people (innocent orphan Rachel among them) while serving as an example of the evils and horrors of communism (I guess Goodkind was fond of Ann Rand, too). The protagonist gets tortured for about 100 pages and gratuitous violence is thrown in, for what purpose I have no idea, but it didn't make reading this wall of text any easier or more fun.<br />
<br />
There are a few elements that are thrown in toward the end, such as the terror of ancient prophecies. I honestly cannot see them as anything other than gimmicks for readers to continue reading the tale, but after 800 pages of microscopic text, I would rather tear my fingernails out than subject myself to this experience again. </blockquote>
<br />
And here is Read-Weep's take on it:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/wizards-first-rule" target="_blank">http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/wizards-first-rule</a><br />
<br />
The second worst novel I've read was The Power of One by Bryce Courtnay. It was nothing more than an attempt to paint Caucasians as the saviours of native Africans. The protagonist is a Gary Stu and therefore painfully boring to read about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[What was the worst fiction book you've ever read? I finished Wizard's First Rule last year, and it was the dullest fantasy I've ever come across. Nothing was original. Run-on sentences were a blessing. Chapters dragged for dozens of pages and what could have been explained in six words was spelled out in excruciating tedium.<br />
<br />
Here's a more detailed analysis:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/RENERY611CAYC/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&amp;ASIN=0765322757#wasThisHelpful" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/review/RENERY611CA...hisHelpful</a><br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>This book is long winded and dull. To make things worse, it's difficult to follow at times. Goodkind must know this, as several pages after a major event a truncated description is offered for certain scenes. A case in point is the initial confrontation between Richard, Kahlan and the quad in chapter 2. On the same topic, I literally rolled my eyes when the villains were described as having "blonde hair and blue eyes." Great. This is obviously going to be a retelling of World War 2. There are a few mildly interesting philosophical dissertations thrown in, and I did find Richard and Kahlan to be fairly interesting. They were given adequate pages for exposition. Unfortunately, these are not constants; some philosophical conclusions are less than what one could expect in an introductory college course. "Power is neither good nor evil, it's the user who determines it." Well, duh. The writing is so dull at times as Goodkind spells everything out in minute detail for the reader. Dozens of pages are wasted on explaining what anyone with a primary school education could figure out. The "betrayal" is so obvious that anyone who hasn't fallen asleep during the first quarter of this book would have seen it coming about 500 pages ahead of time. The "big" reveal about Kahlan's true nature is a prime example. At least the final revelations were wrapped up fairly quickly.<br />
<br />
An extremely gruesome and gratuitously brutal scene of child sacrifice takes up close to a dozen pages (of microscopic font). Not only is this a terrible use of prose and a run-on chapter, but it is likely to turn away even the most ardent BDSM practitioner. Scenes of such brutality are the author's right to wax poetic about, certainly, but to do so in such detail adds nothing to the plot, throws the pace of the novel into a quagmire and will likely nauseate most readers. I had to skim ahead to spare myself the grotesque horror of this scene.<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, the wise old wizard and evil villain are more one-dimensional than Emperor Palpatine. There's no reason to care about their motives or goals. The plot is hardly better, essentially ripped from The Lord of the Rings in whole cloth. The villain seeks three boxes of power, one of which will extinguish all life, one of which will claim his life, and one of which will grant him eternal power over life and death. The heroes must stop him, but not before 400 pages or so of wandering around while we are introduced to the various peoples of the world. None of these are very interesting. The Mud People are a tribe of hunter-gatherers, stuck in their ways and unwilling to embrace modernity because of one particularly stubborn elder who wields an incommensurate degree of power. And there's even a clone of Gollum to boot.<br />
<br />
Queen Milena and her daughter Violet are the evil stepmother and stepsister of the book. They enjoy tormenting people (innocent orphan Rachel among them) while serving as an example of the evils and horrors of communism (I guess Goodkind was fond of Ann Rand, too). The protagonist gets tortured for about 100 pages and gratuitous violence is thrown in, for what purpose I have no idea, but it didn't make reading this wall of text any easier or more fun.<br />
<br />
There are a few elements that are thrown in toward the end, such as the terror of ancient prophecies. I honestly cannot see them as anything other than gimmicks for readers to continue reading the tale, but after 800 pages of microscopic text, I would rather tear my fingernails out than subject myself to this experience again. </blockquote>
<br />
And here is Read-Weep's take on it:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/wizards-first-rule" target="_blank">http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/wizards-first-rule</a><br />
<br />
The second worst novel I've read was The Power of One by Bryce Courtnay. It was nothing more than an attempt to paint Caucasians as the saviours of native Africans. The protagonist is a Gary Stu and therefore painfully boring to read about.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Pascal's Wager and Hell]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:39:23 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just joined the forum, introduced myself. Someone saw the word "agnostic" and just jumped to the conclusion that I agnostic and not an atheist; great example of NOT LISTENING and instead just reacting to buzz words.  This "welcome" warned me that "we don't accept Pascal's Insurance".  <br />
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First of all, it is called "Pascal's Wager (or Gamble)".   Also, Pascal's Wager is bunk even if the Christian "God" did exist.  According to almost all understanding of Christian denominations, just believing that God exists is not sufficient for salvation from eternal torment in hell.<br />
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No, the bible says even the devil believes that God exists.  In order to be saved, you not only have to believe that God exists, but you have to also pick the correct denomination and rituals.  For example, broad evangelicals are "saved" by placing their trust in Jesus.  Once that occurs, they are once and for all "saved".  However, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox teach that salvation is dispensed by sacraments (rituals) which give you a clean slate until the next time that you sin, then you have to hope you don't die while you are in sin (mortal sin, like masterbating or missing a Sunday service).  <br />
<br />
Then there are variations on the theme with Calvinistic reformed protestants that teach that you have to be one of the "elect" to be saved, so God picks and choses who is saved and who goes to hell.  So basically, God creates a mankind knowing that most will go to hell for eternity, but you cannot accuse God of creating evil, because it is mankind who sinned not God.  Plus we are just humans and cannot begin to grasp the infinite "wisdom and holiness" of God.  <br />
<br />
OK, but even if you got all of that right, God could still send you to hell if he wants to.  Maybe he gets a kick out of it.  Who says that God has to be holy, or righteous, or truthful?  If mankind cannot grasp the infinite wisdom and holiness of God, then how can we puny humans have any certainty on how God will act?   Myabe God just gets a kick out of sending people to hell.  The bible even backs that up.  According to the bible, God created mankind for his own pleasure; and since God is totally in control (doctrine of providence) combined with the biblical fact that most people are going to hell, then God must really enjoy sending people to hell.<br />
<br />
So the Pascal's Wager is just another way for you to burn!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Just joined the forum, introduced myself. Someone saw the word "agnostic" and just jumped to the conclusion that I agnostic and not an atheist; great example of NOT LISTENING and instead just reacting to buzz words.  This "welcome" warned me that "we don't accept Pascal's Insurance".  <br />
<br />
First of all, it is called "Pascal's Wager (or Gamble)".   Also, Pascal's Wager is bunk even if the Christian "God" did exist.  According to almost all understanding of Christian denominations, just believing that God exists is not sufficient for salvation from eternal torment in hell.<br />
<br />
No, the bible says even the devil believes that God exists.  In order to be saved, you not only have to believe that God exists, but you have to also pick the correct denomination and rituals.  For example, broad evangelicals are "saved" by placing their trust in Jesus.  Once that occurs, they are once and for all "saved".  However, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox teach that salvation is dispensed by sacraments (rituals) which give you a clean slate until the next time that you sin, then you have to hope you don't die while you are in sin (mortal sin, like masterbating or missing a Sunday service).  <br />
<br />
Then there are variations on the theme with Calvinistic reformed protestants that teach that you have to be one of the "elect" to be saved, so God picks and choses who is saved and who goes to hell.  So basically, God creates a mankind knowing that most will go to hell for eternity, but you cannot accuse God of creating evil, because it is mankind who sinned not God.  Plus we are just humans and cannot begin to grasp the infinite "wisdom and holiness" of God.  <br />
<br />
OK, but even if you got all of that right, God could still send you to hell if he wants to.  Maybe he gets a kick out of it.  Who says that God has to be holy, or righteous, or truthful?  If mankind cannot grasp the infinite wisdom and holiness of God, then how can we puny humans have any certainty on how God will act?   Myabe God just gets a kick out of sending people to hell.  The bible even backs that up.  According to the bible, God created mankind for his own pleasure; and since God is totally in control (doctrine of providence) combined with the biblical fact that most people are going to hell, then God must really enjoy sending people to hell.<br />
<br />
So the Pascal's Wager is just another way for you to burn!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Please tell me what's wrong with this picture.]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:37:08 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So I'm 17 and my mom is on welfare (Housing, Foodstamps.) Since I was 16, I've been dying to have a job, and typically a lot of teenagers aren't going to desperately want a job; but then again, a lot of teenagers aren't going to have to beg their parents to let them even get a job. My mom won't let me get one for the fact that if the Housing Department is shown I'm receiving income (taxes taken out), they'll cut back on what they give us.<br />
<br />
I just don't see how it's very fair to me when I want a job for several reasons. I could work to pay on my own school fees, which my mom struggles with sometimes. I could work to pay for school trips, which my mom can't afford. I'd be able to save and pay for my own miscellaneous funds (hair cuts, clothes, entertainment.) Everything would help her out financially. I could also learn how to manage my money independently. I think part of having a part time job as a teen is to get a taste of managing the money you earn, and I'm completely excluded from that experience. I'm less than a year away from graduating, and I have no job experience whatsoever, and that scares me. I didn't know it was a crime to want to do something productive with your spare time.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">I also do not have a car yet, because my mom cannot afford one. I can't even begin to save up for a car until I graduate- which means I'll have to start college a year late because I won't have transportation.</span><br />
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I've brought it up to my mom several times and it always turns into a big argument about how I can wait until after I graduate to get my first job (Did I mention I've applied for places, received calls back, and she still refused to let me get the job?) I mentioned moving out with a friend immediately after graduation, because I can either live with a family friend (who would give me time to job hunt if I didn't have a job already- which I won't), or move in with my best friend because her family will be moving out (her dad will require us to pay portion of the rent and bills.) Regardless of whether or not I have a job (having one would be more sufficient) I want to move. She flipped and started saying that I'm not allowed to move out unless it's under her approval and I have a job. Therefore saying I won't be able to, because she won't let me get a job.<br />
<br />
I'll be 18, and not to sound snooty, but I think I can do what I want when I graduate, and she can't really keep me here if I find a reliable place to go- no matter her opinion on where, or who, I'm living with. How am I supposed to gain her approval to move when I can't even graduate having a job, because she won't let me get a job? I don't think she should have as much of a controlling say as she does, but she's the adult, and whenever I graduate I'm stuck with the war to leave this house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So I'm 17 and my mom is on welfare (Housing, Foodstamps.) Since I was 16, I've been dying to have a job, and typically a lot of teenagers aren't going to desperately want a job; but then again, a lot of teenagers aren't going to have to beg their parents to let them even get a job. My mom won't let me get one for the fact that if the Housing Department is shown I'm receiving income (taxes taken out), they'll cut back on what they give us.<br />
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I just don't see how it's very fair to me when I want a job for several reasons. I could work to pay on my own school fees, which my mom struggles with sometimes. I could work to pay for school trips, which my mom can't afford. I'd be able to save and pay for my own miscellaneous funds (hair cuts, clothes, entertainment.) Everything would help her out financially. I could also learn how to manage my money independently. I think part of having a part time job as a teen is to get a taste of managing the money you earn, and I'm completely excluded from that experience. I'm less than a year away from graduating, and I have no job experience whatsoever, and that scares me. I didn't know it was a crime to want to do something productive with your spare time.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">I also do not have a car yet, because my mom cannot afford one. I can't even begin to save up for a car until I graduate- which means I'll have to start college a year late because I won't have transportation.</span><br />
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I've brought it up to my mom several times and it always turns into a big argument about how I can wait until after I graduate to get my first job (Did I mention I've applied for places, received calls back, and she still refused to let me get the job?) I mentioned moving out with a friend immediately after graduation, because I can either live with a family friend (who would give me time to job hunt if I didn't have a job already- which I won't), or move in with my best friend because her family will be moving out (her dad will require us to pay portion of the rent and bills.) Regardless of whether or not I have a job (having one would be more sufficient) I want to move. She flipped and started saying that I'm not allowed to move out unless it's under her approval and I have a job. Therefore saying I won't be able to, because she won't let me get a job.<br />
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I'll be 18, and not to sound snooty, but I think I can do what I want when I graduate, and she can't really keep me here if I find a reliable place to go- no matter her opinion on where, or who, I'm living with. How am I supposed to gain her approval to move when I can't even graduate having a job, because she won't let me get a job? I don't think she should have as much of a controlling say as she does, but she's the adult, and whenever I graduate I'm stuck with the war to leave this house.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[NatGeos Geno Project]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-NatGeos-Geno-Project</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:52:24 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Some months ago I ordered National Geographic's DNA kit so they could run an analysis on my own DNA. <br />
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<a href="https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/" target="_blank">https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/</a><br />
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I'm very curious to see what they find. One of the reasons is that my maternal grandmother is from the Canary Islands and all of my life I kept hearing how nothing was known of their origins.<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers</a><br />
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Not true, but I have a strong suspicion that my very Catholic family could not bear the thought of having a North African lineage (read Muslim).  Personally I think that is way cool!<br />
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She migrated to Cuba in her teens and I remember her telling me stories of how her uncles talked to one another across mountain ranges using <span style="font-style: italic;">silbo</span>, a language composed entirely of whistling! She was tall and regal, very fair skin and extremely proud and proper. She was an amazing cook and I had the forethought of sitting down with her and having her dictate to me a few of her recipies; <span style="font-style: italic;">arroz con pollo, frijoles negros, garbanzos</span> and her mouth watering, tear inducing as I think of it, dessert <span style="font-style: italic;">natilla</span>.<br />
<br />
Anyway, I've mentioned this test before, and as soon as the results are in I'll post them.<br />
<br />
Have any of you out there sent for this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Some months ago I ordered National Geographic's DNA kit so they could run an analysis on my own DNA. <br />
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<a href="https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/" target="_blank">https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/</a><br />
<br />
I'm very curious to see what they find. One of the reasons is that my maternal grandmother is from the Canary Islands and all of my life I kept hearing how nothing was known of their origins.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers</a><br />
<br />
Not true, but I have a strong suspicion that my very Catholic family could not bear the thought of having a North African lineage (read Muslim).  Personally I think that is way cool!<br />
<br />
She migrated to Cuba in her teens and I remember her telling me stories of how her uncles talked to one another across mountain ranges using <span style="font-style: italic;">silbo</span>, a language composed entirely of whistling! She was tall and regal, very fair skin and extremely proud and proper. She was an amazing cook and I had the forethought of sitting down with her and having her dictate to me a few of her recipies; <span style="font-style: italic;">arroz con pollo, frijoles negros, garbanzos</span> and her mouth watering, tear inducing as I think of it, dessert <span style="font-style: italic;">natilla</span>.<br />
<br />
Anyway, I've mentioned this test before, and as soon as the results are in I'll post them.<br />
<br />
Have any of you out there sent for this?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Please share debates in audio format that you like]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Please-share-debates-in-audio-format-that-you-like</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:04:38 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello,can you please share some debates you like that are in mp3 format?<br />
I found an interesting site,but it really sucks to download a file without knowing what the topic is. The site i found is<br />
<a href="http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/" target="_blank">http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/</a><br />
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and if you know the link of the debate where william lane craig debates eddie tabash,could you please share it with me?  I have been searching for it,but i see only youtube links or videos.. I cant watch youtube on my phone,and videos tend to take much space on my 2gb memory card.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello,can you please share some debates you like that are in mp3 format?<br />
I found an interesting site,but it really sucks to download a file without knowing what the topic is. The site i found is<br />
<a href="http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/" target="_blank">http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/</a><br />
<br />
and if you know the link of the debate where william lane craig debates eddie tabash,could you please share it with me?  I have been searching for it,but i see only youtube links or videos.. I cant watch youtube on my phone,and videos tend to take much space on my 2gb memory card.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[PZ Myers destroys Daniel Friedmann's YEC theory]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-PZ-Myers-destroys-Daniel-Friedmann-s-YEC-theory</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:50:04 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[PZ's masterful arguments cannot be missed.<br />
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Enjoy<br />
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<a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/16/the-key-to-understanding-genesis/" target="_blank">http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2...g-genesis/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[PZ's masterful arguments cannot be missed.<br />
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Enjoy<br />
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<a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/16/the-key-to-understanding-genesis/" target="_blank">http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2...g-genesis/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[She's an anti-vaxxer, too]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-She-s-an-anti-vaxxer-too</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:15:40 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm still recovering after learning that someone I'm close to has bought the hype of the anti-vaccine crowd.  <img src="images/smilies/sad.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Sad" title="Sad" />   <br />
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I'm planning a new section of my blog intended for educational purposes, and the vaccine discussion will definitely be part of that....<br />
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I just can't believe she got sucked in...   I mean, theism doesn't mean you take leave of ALL your senses....right?    <br />
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*sigh*]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm still recovering after learning that someone I'm close to has bought the hype of the anti-vaccine crowd.  <img src="images/smilies/sad.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Sad" title="Sad" />   <br />
<br />
I'm planning a new section of my blog intended for educational purposes, and the vaccine discussion will definitely be part of that....<br />
<br />
<br />
I just can't believe she got sucked in...   I mean, theism doesn't mean you take leave of ALL your senses....right?    <br />
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*sigh*]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Hello Everyone]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Hello-Everyone--17348</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:47:08 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just joined the site and thought i'd say hello. I'm a lifelong atheist from southern California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Just joined the site and thought i'd say hello. I'm a lifelong atheist from southern California.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[masturbation thread]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:32:53 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I am creating a masturbation thread so we can discuss the issue and exchange diverging opinions, trying to arrive scientifically and rationally at a view of what nature spells out. We will keep natural law in the forefront, for nature's laws are never broken, only demonstrated, and we can share evidence, reason and testimonial to support our views. I can share my testimonial too, but here is a woman's: <br />
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<a href="http://www.xojane.com/sex/5-things-happen-when-you-quit-masturbating" target="_blank">http://www.xojane.com/sex/5-things-happe...sturbating</a><br />
5 Things That Happen When You Quit Masturbating<br />
<br />
It's very good, i suggest you read it. <br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>I started to identify with all the men who had ever pressured, cajoled and in a few  sad instances, even begged me to come on, just for a minute, but baby it hurts. Dignity flies out the window when you're desparate to get down. </blockquote>
<br />
like anything, if you've neglected to put in your daily work, and suddenly you realize how poor or indebted you are, you can't claw your way out overnight. She now has to take an almost whole new look at herself and her sexual identity and she's lucky she has a partner who can give her what she craves<br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Masturbation is good for you – from keeping estrogen flowing to aiding in self-discovery to being a simple expression of autonomy over a woman’s own body, its benefits are unquestionable. But for me, limiting sexual intimacy to a shared experience was the kickstart my relationship needed.</blockquote>
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Eywah! Kick start to a relationship? <br />
<br />
My POV is that we have to break free of the spell of religion, but there is an even bigger "matrix" whose spell we have to break free of which includes dogmas, beliefs and powers and pressures that are not classifiable as religion proper.  I feel that in studying this issue of masturbation, I'm getting at a deep one, and this article of hers was a big wake up!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I am creating a masturbation thread so we can discuss the issue and exchange diverging opinions, trying to arrive scientifically and rationally at a view of what nature spells out. We will keep natural law in the forefront, for nature's laws are never broken, only demonstrated, and we can share evidence, reason and testimonial to support our views. I can share my testimonial too, but here is a woman's: <br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.xojane.com/sex/5-things-happen-when-you-quit-masturbating" target="_blank">http://www.xojane.com/sex/5-things-happe...sturbating</a><br />
5 Things That Happen When You Quit Masturbating<br />
<br />
It's very good, i suggest you read it. <br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>I started to identify with all the men who had ever pressured, cajoled and in a few  sad instances, even begged me to come on, just for a minute, but baby it hurts. Dignity flies out the window when you're desparate to get down. </blockquote>
<br />
like anything, if you've neglected to put in your daily work, and suddenly you realize how poor or indebted you are, you can't claw your way out overnight. She now has to take an almost whole new look at herself and her sexual identity and she's lucky she has a partner who can give her what she craves<br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Masturbation is good for you – from keeping estrogen flowing to aiding in self-discovery to being a simple expression of autonomy over a woman’s own body, its benefits are unquestionable. But for me, limiting sexual intimacy to a shared experience was the kickstart my relationship needed.</blockquote>
<br />
Eywah! Kick start to a relationship? <br />
<br />
My POV is that we have to break free of the spell of religion, but there is an even bigger "matrix" whose spell we have to break free of which includes dogmas, beliefs and powers and pressures that are not classifiable as religion proper.  I feel that in studying this issue of masturbation, I'm getting at a deep one, and this article of hers was a big wake up!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[God verse Satan death count]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-God-verse-Satan-death-count</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:45:55 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Who is responsible for more deaths in the bible, God or Satan?]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[Daily News Double Header]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Daily-News-Double-Header</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:22:39 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I've grown quite fond of the insanity this tower of journalism seems to come up with.  <br />
So, without further adieu ... <br />
<br />
  <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/girl-beheads-father-alleged-repeated-rape-article-1.1374102" target="_blank">A rape, a beheading, AND a witch burning.</a>  Something for the whole family.  <br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">"The daughter did what she did because of the trauma and the evil actions of her father so that is why we have all agreed that she remains in the community."</span>  I actually have no problem with that.<br />
<br />
However....<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">"The attack came <span style="text-decoration: underline;">just four months after</span> another woman was similarly tied up and burned alive also for crimes of witch craft."</span>  <br />
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Maybe next time they'll rethink burning their witches.   <img src="images/smilies/angel.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Angel" title="Angel" />  <span style="font-size: xx-small;">Just sayin'</span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I've grown quite fond of the insanity this tower of journalism seems to come up with.  <br />
So, without further adieu ... <br />
<br />
  <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/girl-beheads-father-alleged-repeated-rape-article-1.1374102" target="_blank">A rape, a beheading, AND a witch burning.</a>  Something for the whole family.  <br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">"The daughter did what she did because of the trauma and the evil actions of her father so that is why we have all agreed that she remains in the community."</span>  I actually have no problem with that.<br />
<br />
However....<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">"The attack came <span style="text-decoration: underline;">just four months after</span> another woman was similarly tied up and burned alive also for crimes of witch craft."</span>  <br />
<br />
Maybe next time they'll rethink burning their witches.   <img src="images/smilies/angel.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Angel" title="Angel" />  <span style="font-size: xx-small;">Just sayin'</span>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Does Satan not read the bible?]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Does-Satan-not-read-the-bible</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:16:33 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Okay, so something I've always wondered...the idea of the "End Times", "Rapture", "Armageddon", "The Tribulation", "The Book of Revelation"...etc... is all "known" to Christians, and even if people didn't "know" it it's supposedly accessible information in the "Bible" and is "God's word" which is unalterable and the inevitable future...at least as far as some of the more extreme Christians believe.<br />
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Why would, "Satan", the "Anti-Christ" or the "Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Seven-Headed Leopard" even bother? Have they not read the book? We question it's validity, but if it were to be true than wouldn't "Satan/Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Anti-Christ/Seven-headed Leopard" know about it and have read it. Even if we doubt it, wouldn't "Satan/Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Anti-Christ/Seven-headed Leopard" know that it's real? After all they are all a part of it, they see behind the scenes we don't see, so wouldn't they already know they lose? So why all the bother? It seems if I were either of them I would just say, fuck it, I already know I'm going to lose because you put the future in your book, so I'm just not going to play along, because I'm evil and don't want things to work out the way you predict them to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Okay, so something I've always wondered...the idea of the "End Times", "Rapture", "Armageddon", "The Tribulation", "The Book of Revelation"...etc... is all "known" to Christians, and even if people didn't "know" it it's supposedly accessible information in the "Bible" and is "God's word" which is unalterable and the inevitable future...at least as far as some of the more extreme Christians believe.<br />
<br />
Why would, "Satan", the "Anti-Christ" or the "Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Seven-Headed Leopard" even bother? Have they not read the book? We question it's validity, but if it were to be true than wouldn't "Satan/Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Anti-Christ/Seven-headed Leopard" know about it and have read it. Even if we doubt it, wouldn't "Satan/Seven-Headed Dragon" and the "Anti-Christ/Seven-headed Leopard" know that it's real? After all they are all a part of it, they see behind the scenes we don't see, so wouldn't they already know they lose? So why all the bother? It seems if I were either of them I would just say, fuck it, I already know I'm going to lose because you put the future in your book, so I'm just not going to play along, because I'm evil and don't want things to work out the way you predict them to.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Iran deploying troops to Syria]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Iran-deploying-troops-to-Syria</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:45:43 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Iran-Syria-Hezbollah have defeated any major foreign fighting force still in Syria, and whatever the plans are for the foreign fighters attempting overthrow Assad, they will face a three sided enemy.  <br />
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On that note, Assad has probably killed more alqaeda than any other leader in the past 2 years.   But he is a baddie for his alqaeda killing ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Iran-Syria-Hezbollah have defeated any major foreign fighting force still in Syria, and whatever the plans are for the foreign fighters attempting overthrow Assad, they will face a three sided enemy.  <br />
<br />
On that note, Assad has probably killed more alqaeda than any other leader in the past 2 years.   But he is a baddie for his alqaeda killing ways.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[How the internet fucks up religion.]]></title>
			<link>http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-How-the-internet-fucks-up-religion</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:40:48 -0500</pubDate>
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